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We may not be able to start rebuilding until after 2024
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:52 pm
All of these numbers are from Over The Cap.
We are $54.946M over the cap in 2023 already.
Highest cap hits:
Thomas: $28.2M. Base salary $15.5M. Cutting or trading him would only net a $2.8M relief. Post June 1 would save $16.45M
Cam: $25.7M. Base salary $13.9M. Cutting or trading only saves $2.25M. Post June 1 would save $15.0M
Latt: $22.4M. We'd increase his cap hit by $20.5M if we cut or traded him. Post June 1 cut: $0M savings.
Ram: $21.4M. We'd increase his caph hit by $18.5M if we cut or traded him. Post June 1 cut: $0M savings.
Peat: $18.4M. Save $1.39M if we trade/cut him. Save $11.8M Post June 1
Onyemata: $10.2M. Void year.
Kamara: $16.1M. Save $0.72M if we trade/cut him. Save $10.0M post June 1
Jameis: $15.6M. Save 4.4M if we cut him. Save $12.8M post June 1
Taysom Hill. $13.9M. We'd increase his cap hit by $9.8M if we cut him. Dead even post June 1 cut.
We do not really have flexibility to dig ourselves out of the hole just to make the cap. All we can do is push cap hits further back, taking up space in future years and digging a deeper hole by (1) adding more future dead cap space via extensions/void years/salary conversion (2) utilizing post-June 1 cuts, which just eat up the next year's cap.
Our only trade assets of value are Latt and Ram, and we can't do anything with them.
Taysom Hill is a legitimate albatross. Major cap hit for a nothing player and all we can do is delay the inevitable terrible, likely negative cap savings. His contract is truly a sign of insane player retention and cap management strategy. It will be taught in textbooks 20 years from now what "crazy" looks like for NFL GMs.
On top of this, we dealt our 1st in 2023 and 2nd in 2024. 2 crucial assets to rebuild are already spent.
If these first 3 games indicate our quality (which may be the worst team in the NFL), then we are in for a LONG rebuild that will take 5+ years. This was always the risk with the "Aggressive" cap management and making moves based on pride (like Taysom).
We are $54.946M over the cap in 2023 already.
Highest cap hits:
Thomas: $28.2M. Base salary $15.5M. Cutting or trading him would only net a $2.8M relief. Post June 1 would save $16.45M
Cam: $25.7M. Base salary $13.9M. Cutting or trading only saves $2.25M. Post June 1 would save $15.0M
Latt: $22.4M. We'd increase his cap hit by $20.5M if we cut or traded him. Post June 1 cut: $0M savings.
Ram: $21.4M. We'd increase his caph hit by $18.5M if we cut or traded him. Post June 1 cut: $0M savings.
Peat: $18.4M. Save $1.39M if we trade/cut him. Save $11.8M Post June 1
Onyemata: $10.2M. Void year.
Kamara: $16.1M. Save $0.72M if we trade/cut him. Save $10.0M post June 1
Jameis: $15.6M. Save 4.4M if we cut him. Save $12.8M post June 1
Taysom Hill. $13.9M. We'd increase his cap hit by $9.8M if we cut him. Dead even post June 1 cut.
We do not really have flexibility to dig ourselves out of the hole just to make the cap. All we can do is push cap hits further back, taking up space in future years and digging a deeper hole by (1) adding more future dead cap space via extensions/void years/salary conversion (2) utilizing post-June 1 cuts, which just eat up the next year's cap.
Our only trade assets of value are Latt and Ram, and we can't do anything with them.
Taysom Hill is a legitimate albatross. Major cap hit for a nothing player and all we can do is delay the inevitable terrible, likely negative cap savings. His contract is truly a sign of insane player retention and cap management strategy. It will be taught in textbooks 20 years from now what "crazy" looks like for NFL GMs.
On top of this, we dealt our 1st in 2023 and 2nd in 2024. 2 crucial assets to rebuild are already spent.
If these first 3 games indicate our quality (which may be the worst team in the NFL), then we are in for a LONG rebuild that will take 5+ years. This was always the risk with the "Aggressive" cap management and making moves based on pride (like Taysom).
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Loomis refuses to accept the fact that we may need 2+ years of sucking arse to pay off that credit card bill due soon.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:03 pm to JS87
That’s the thing this team is talented as hell we just need leadership
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:05 pm to burke985
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we just need leadership
No we just need an offense. That side of the ball is a disaster.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is the best shape we've been in in years.
Cut Cam, Peat and Onyemata, resign Lat, Kam, and Ram and too early to tell best course with @cantguardmike TayTay and Jameis
Cut Cam, Peat and Onyemata, resign Lat, Kam, and Ram and too early to tell best course with @cantguardmike TayTay and Jameis
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:08 pm to SirWinston
hey...it's Jinx 
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No we just need an offense. That side of the ball is a disaster.
There are plenty of weapons. It’s scheme or the line but probably both. And Jameis can’t read a defense or get the correct blocking schemes. He’s not smart enough to run our complex offense. We either have to dumb it down or move on.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:21 pm to BigPerm30
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He’s not smart enough to run our complex offense. We either have to dumb it down or move on.
The complexity of the Payton offense is more costly than it is beneficial. Even a vet like Emmanuel Sanders had problems picking it up and he's been successful everywhere else. There was a time when complexity on offense was critical, but now it's just complexity for complexity's sake, and it limits you.
Marrone has been a disaster. It seems the game passed him by. I mean he couldn't even hack it as a college OL coach and was fired by Saban. Not shocking he's behind the times in the NFL.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm on record on this very forum saying that building a team around Jameis Winston is going to get this franchise what it deserves. And here we are.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:22 pm to VictoryHill
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I'm on record on this very forum saying that building a team around Jameis Winston is going to get this franchise what it deserves.
Cool story bro.
We should have just kept Trevor Semiean, right?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
No lil guy, that's not what's implied at all. 
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:26 pm to VictoryHill
What other options were there once Watson picked CLE over us?
Marcus Mariota? I think he picked ATL for obvious reasons.
Baker? meh, maybe.
Jimmy G was too expensive.
Russell Wilson was way too expensive (and not that good anymore)
Marcus Mariota? I think he picked ATL for obvious reasons.
Baker? meh, maybe.
Jimmy G was too expensive.
Russell Wilson was way too expensive (and not that good anymore)
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
You really typed all this up
This is about coaching. Not players.
This is about coaching. Not players.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:28 pm to Mouth
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This is about coaching. Not players.
Cool. If we suck, we're going to face a really bad time for the next 4-5 years.
And yes, our offense is terrible. Our OC and OL coaching hires were terrible decisions (likely forced by Loomis/Ireland)
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Cool. If we suck, we're going to face a really bad time for the next 4-5 years.
If we suck?
Above you said we were the worst team in the league.
No team with decent management takes 4 or 5 years to rebuild.
You are being a dramatic little bitch per usual.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:50 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Above you said we were the worst team in the league.
No I didn't.
I said
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If these first 3 games indicate our quality
That's a conditional statement.
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No team with decent management takes 4 or 5 years to rebuild.
Our cap is beyond fricked. No team in NFL history has ever been in a cap situation like we are. Everyone always knew kicking the can down the road works...as long as you're good and draft at an elite level every year. Once the team falls off, it will fall off a cliff. That's how Loomis built the house of cards.
Look at our major salaries and the implications of moving them. Look at the albatross that is Taysom Hill and guys with major cap hits in void years.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What other options were there once Watson picked CLE over us? Marcus Mariota? I think he picked ATL for obvious reasons. Baker? meh, maybe. Jimmy G was too expensive. Russell Wilson was way too expensive (and not that good anymore)
Let’s not forget we traded away next years first to move up and get Olave instead of just staying put where we could have just drafted Burks Or taken Penning and then taken Pickens or Moore
ETA what really kills me is all the times they traded up in the first for a freaking RB (Ingram) an oft injured DL from a G5 team or a WR but they didn’t for the one position you should when supposedly Payton loved Mahomes
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
Again. This is about coaching. We have shite coaching. It’s not a cap issue or a draft issue. It’s a coaching issue. Just stop.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Mate why did he derisively call you "little guy"? Are you like 5'5?
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:11 pm to SirWinston
No mate I'm slightly over 6-0
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