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re: We better not offer Flores

Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:52 pm to
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Generally the better athletes?


Is it not plausible that whites are generally better coaches? Following that race/aptitude correlation theory
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:54 pm to
So why wouldn't that apply to the NBA?

And what would you attribute to whites being better coaches?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:55 pm to
quote:

Do you believe there are a myriad of skills people are good at other than athletics?

Being a tactician, management game planning?



I'm really just waiting for someone to actually post it.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:56 pm to
You already did by stating blacks are better athletes
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:56 pm to
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So why wouldn't that apply to the NBA?


Who said it does/doesn’t?

quote:

And what would you attribute to whites being better coaches?


What would you attribute to blacks being better athletes?

You are kind of circling around “blacks are more athletic but just as smart. They are superior” but I’m curious as to why you won’t just say it when everything you are arguing is based on that
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 5:59 pm to
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You are kind of circling around “blacks are more athletic but just as smart. They are superior”



Never even hinted at that. But take the 4 guys I previously mentioned and tell me what makes them these brilliant tacticians and leader of men?


My point was minority coaches should be getting the same opportunities, even if they end up shitting the bed like plenty of white coaches are doing.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:00 pm to
Teams are going to hire the coach that gives them the best chance to win. Period.

They wouldn’t draft black players at a 50-70% clip over white players if this weren’t the case

It’s not a racial issue. It’s a competitive issue
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:01 pm to
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Never even hinted at that. But take the 4 guys I previously mentioned and tell me what makes them these brilliant tacticians and leader of men?


So you don’t think blacks are generally more athletic after all?

Why would one care if their coach is athletic?
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 6:02 pm
Posted by Chalkywhite84
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:01 pm to
 Flores also claims that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offered to pay him $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season to help the team get a better draft spot, becoming upset when Flores instead kept leading the team to wins. This story is far from over as Flores remains trapped in the coaching cycle with few vacancies remainin
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:06 pm to
We have actual proof that we can see on the field that it's the case. I say "in general" because we do have the Kupp's and McCaffrey out there, but ate you telling me that black coaches aren't as smart as white coaches, something you really can't prove?



Plus, the point with bringing up 70% of the players is if they have representation there, there's no reason they can't have representation at the highest level.

But apparently they aren't suited for that.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:08 pm to
Management / ownership incentivizing the head coach to lose games should be a huge deal if it can be proven. The NFL should come down hard on the Dolphins.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:08 pm to
Apparently white people aren’t suited for skill position jobs either, according to you
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:09 pm to
Why, I would incentivize losing to get Burrow in 2019
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:09 pm to
quote:

We have actual proof that we can see on the field that it's the case.


Do we? How do we know the white guys that aren’t out there instead aren’t just as athletic?


quote:

but ate you telling me that black coaches aren't as smart as white coaches, something you really can't prove?


Well, just like white cornerbacks, they’ve been selected out of the population.

We either believe that teams will do whatever it takes to win which selects for the best candidates both players or otherwise, or not.

Or you believe that that blacks are super people, like you suggest (through your arguments, not explicitly)

This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 6:12 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:11 pm to
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Teams are going to hire the coach that gives them the best chance to win.


Correction: perceived chance to win. Plenty of white coaches have been hired with no previous experience that have absolutely bombed, they get fired, whatever. But discuss hiring a minority coach and "you can't take that kind of chance, take the best candidate".

I bet being a black coach is like trying to get a credit card. You need credit to get one, but...
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:12 pm to
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You need credit to get one,


No you don’t lol
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:14 pm to
Do you really think the risk in bringing in a player for, at the minimum, a try out, is the same as hiring your head coach? If a player is as athletic as the rest of them, they will get the opportunity. Especially a white player.


Hate quoting Louis C.K., but being a white person is so easy now.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:15 pm to
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No you don’t lol



Well, bad example now
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:16 pm to
I’ll say this. If blacks are superior physical specimens AND equally capable tacticians that makes the run white people are on historically the single greatest underdog story in human history. What a fricking choke job by the blacks!!
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 6:17 pm to
You say you can’t quantify management level skills, but is that really true?

Don’t you think we could look at things like average IQ, literacy rates, and aptitude tests to get a population to support the argument that blacks aren’t as suited as whites for that type of position?

You’d agree that blacks generally score better at athletic testing such as the combine?

Since your position is that black people are more athletic than whites, therefore, it is proper for them to hold 50-70% of the roster positions in the NFL
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