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WaPo: How the Saints salvaged their secondary and became a legitimate NFC threat

Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:35 am
Posted by The Cool No 9
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:35 am
LINK

We are getting that respect baws
Posted by redneck
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:38 am to
boner
Posted by 25smeckles
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:44 am to
washington post is fake news tho
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:54 am to
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The effects of a No. 1 cornerback aren’t as obvious on television as that of, say, J.J. Watt. When Watt slips past a guard and barrels toward a QB, the footage gets replayed from every angle as the announcers gush. When a top cornerback sits perfectly on a double move and forces the quarterback to hold the ball an extra half second to get to his next read, there’s no 30-second montage. It likely won’t even get mentioned. Yet the effects are similar.


I like this passage.
Posted by Bonkers119
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:59 am to
Frick. Why can't we just stay under the radar for a few more weeks...
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:02 am to
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Frick. Why can't we just stay under the radar for a few more weeks...


As long as the team stays focused, the radar won't be an issue. KV got the DBs gas masks. Says they can't makeup for 3 years of bad defense in 3 games.

ETA: Sterling Moore bought the gas masks..

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“In case y’all gas me up, I brought the gas mask,” Vaccaro told the media. “We just knew what the clippings were gonna say. We knew what questions y’all were gonna ask. ... We’re not believing no clippings, nothing. We’ve got a lot of work to do.”


LINK
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 11:04 am
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:20 am to
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As long as the team stays focused, the radar won't be an issue. KV got the DBs gas masks. Says they can't makeup for 3 years of bad defense in 3 games.

that's actually a very good move on Vaccaro's part

I like it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:29 am to
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At the end of the day though, the single biggest reason this defense isn’t an aberration, and why it’s a different defense from years past, is their rookie first-round pick. The effects of a No. 1 cornerback aren’t as obvious on television as that of, say, J.J. Watt. When Watt slips past a guard and barrels toward a QB, the footage gets replayed from every angle as the announcers gush. When a top cornerback sits perfectly on a double move and forces the quarterback to hold the ball an extra half second to get to his next read, there’s no 30-second montage. It likely won’t even get mentioned. Yet the effects are similar.

That is what Marshon Lattimore has brought to the Saints defense that it hasn’t had since Keenan Lewis’s first year in New Orleans back in 2013.


i kept trying to tell people who were melting over not getting a pass rusher

coverage creates sacks

Lattimore and Williams create coverage and we have Cam Jordan. sacks will come
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:30 am to
Vacarro is doing all the right things to get that fat extension as the leader of this young defense
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:47 am to
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Vacarro is doing all the right things to get that fat extension as the leader of this young defense


If things continue to improve, he continues...are you against giving it to him?
Posted by The Cool No 9
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Frick. Why can't we just stay under the radar for a few more weeks...
i was kinda liking being under the radar too, I think the journalists are more pressed to report about the threat(s) in the nfc now that Aaron Rodgers is out and the path to the postseason isn’t as clear
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Fleur de Diable
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:54 pm to
So our turn around has acctually coincided with us playing more zone? Seems like a lot of armchair quarterbacks were swearing our early season ills were caused by us playing too much zone. Interesting tidbit.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:15 pm to
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So our turn around has acctually coincided with us playing more zone? Seems like a lot of armchair quarterbacks were swearing our early season ills were caused by us playing too much zone. Interesting tidbit.

well that and we're blitzing a shite ton more

blitzing gives QBs less time to wait for our DBs to fudge up
Posted by 9WhoDat37
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:30 pm to
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So our turn around has acctually coincided with us playing more zone? Seems like a lot of armchair quarterbacks were swearing our early season ills were caused by us playing too much zone. Interesting tidbit.


Vaccaro was awful as the deep safety playing zone in the first 2 weeks. Moving him closer to the LoS and letting actual safeties play over the top helped a ton.

We played a ton of man coverage in week 2. But most snaps are going to have a combo of man underneath with zone over the top.


I can think of 3 blown zone coverages that led to TDs in the first 2 weeks. And wide open TDs at that. You're also naturally going to play more zone coverages with leads
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted by BobBoucher
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:30 pm to
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blitzing gives QBs less time to wait for our DBs to fudge up


Agreed. It works both ways. Give a NFL QB enough time be they will eventually find someone. Zone limits the yardage of those checkdowns.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:37 pm to
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Why can't we just stay under the radar for a few more weeks...
I'm guessing we're not under the radar to the teams we're going to play.
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:14 pm to
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Seems like a lot of armchair quarterbacks were swearing our early season ills were caused by us playing too much zone.


It's more about what the outside corners are playing, and they've been playing more man since the Minny game.

You're not going to play all man or all zone underneath with the LBs/nickel, and you are going to change up what the safeties do play to play.

But when they went with almost strictly cover 3/soft cover 2 with some way off man on long 3rds against the Vikes it ended badly.

Zone can be good if you mix in it with man, and unless you have 3 shutdown corners you're not going to play strictly man all the time. The key is to find the right balance and that was with our outside corners playing press man most of the time while changing coverages with everyone else.

Allen also seems to have changed the types of zone plays he's running (or maybe some of the guys like Harris and Anzalone were just consistently blowing coverage like Vaccaro was in deep zones).

We aren't allowing backs to run free near as much any more when going to zone. That was a frequent calling card of Allen since he came back. They'd play off zone and let the backs/TEs/under routes run free and try to run up and tackle from 10+ yards back.

Posted by 9WhoDat37
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:16 pm to
That Carolina 90+ yard TD drive was almost all zone, with an enormous cushion given underneath.

That's been a huge difference too, trusting our outside corners to play at the LoS
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:20 pm to
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That Carolina 90+ yard TD drive was almost all zone, with an enormous cushion given underneath.


Yeah it was freaking me out because I thought we would slip back to playing that all the time again but it was corrected by the next drive.

For whatever reason we decided to try to bleed clock by letting them get underneath stuff instead of what worked the rest of the game. Very odd decision.

He hasn't made the mistake since so I'm hoping it's all good. I have nightmares of backs running free all over us in the passing game.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:22 pm to
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So our turn around has acctually coincided with us playing more zone? Seems like a lot of armchair quarterbacks were swearing our early season ills were caused by us playing too much zone. Interesting tidbit.

week 1: lots of zone and our DBs seemed lost

week 2: almost all man and the pats just carved it up
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