re: Vilma hearing updates...JUDGE DID NOT RULE TODAY

Posted by L S Usetheforce

Member since Jun 2004

23241 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:30 am to L S Usetheforce

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Judge wonders if "conduct detrimental" is too broad, a catch-all for commish to discipline

OMG

Posted by tgrbaitn08

Member since Dec 2007

148031 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:31 am to otisLA85

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Gabe Feldman ?@SportsLawGuy Judge makes clear,again, that she believes that players adequately participated in appeal before RG.

Posted by TigerinATL

Member since Feb 2005

62446 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:32 am to Tiger Voodoo

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D Smith should be straight up fricking canned immediately. NFLPA = RG's bitch

The players would have lost even if Jesus was head of the NFLPA. Before the lockout the owners were squabbling amongst themselves over revenue sharing, then out of nowhere the players were making too much money. The owners settled their problem by taking money from the players and did so by manufacturing issues like an 18 game schedule. The players had zero leverage, they could lose a little now by taking a paycut or risk losing everything by calling the owners bluff and possibly lose an entire year's worth of salary. They obviously thought a small paycut was better than getting laid off as most of us would if our employer presented those options to us.

Posted by otisLA85

Lafayette, LA

Member since Apr 2012

147 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:32 am to otisLA85

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Judge recognizes serious question about whether she has power to do anything here. But she clearly would like to.

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Berrigan: "You've made me feel powerless eloquently on an number of occasions." Levy steps down. Kessler is back up.

This should get good.

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Posted by tgrbaitn08

Member since Dec 2007

148031 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:33 am to otisLA85

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Donald Chick Foret ?@chickforet Judge smiles and says it gets down to what everybody bargained for. You eloquently pointed out my powerlessness.

Posted by theDORSEY72

New Orleans

Member since Jan 2008

655 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:34 am to otisLA85

This such bullshite, Judge knows there was no bounty and punishments were unfair, wants to rule in Vilma's favor but she prob won't.

Goodell sucks

Posted by otisLA85

Lafayette, LA

Member since Apr 2012

147 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:35 am to otisLA85

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Kessler now back up. Arguing why this falls under Article 14 of CBA (pay for performance) and thus must be heard by system arb

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@rjonesTP: I can't use enough superlatives to describe Jeffrey Kessler. He's something else. Almost has more arguments than he knows what to do with

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Kessler- commish can't simply declare everything conduct detrimental and discipline for it.

This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:36 am

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Posted by LSUFreek

Greater New Orleans

Member since Jan 2007

15860 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:36 am to otisLA85

To all the guys providing the updates, 1000+ cocktails to you!

I only have my iPhone right now and don't know where or if I can access the live feed, but either way, I'm enjoying this more than I would the best courtroom drama on film.

Bravo, gentlemen!

Posted by Brettesaurus Rex

Baton Rouge

Member since Dec 2009

38261 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:36 am to tgrbaitn08

Come on Kessler!

Posted by otisLA85

Lafayette, LA

Member since Apr 2012

147 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:37 am to LSUFreek

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To all the guys providing the updates, 1000+ cocktails to you!

I only have my iPhone right now and don't know where or if I can access the live feed, but either way, I'm enjoying this more than I would the best courtroom drama on film.

Bravo, gentlemen

Posted by tgrbaitn08

Member since Dec 2007

148031 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:38 am to otisLA85

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Thomas McEachin ?@thomasmceachin Judge indicated that RG did "some weaving around" the CBA by relying on "conduct detrimental" provision and ignoring Art 14

Posted by sicboy

Because Awesome

Member since Nov 2010

79268 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:38 am to theDORSEY72

I have faith that the judge can get around this. But at least it's putting out there that this whole ordeal is a load of BS, regardless if they are powerless to stop it.

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Posted by tgrbaitn08

Member since Dec 2007

148031 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:39 am to sicboy

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Donald Chick Foret ?@chickforet In my opinion, she is looking for something to use to help Vilma. She just jotted down a note.

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Donald Chick Foret ?@chickforet Judge is back in her chair with arms folded. I don't think she has latched on to anything legal mechanism to help Vilma.

This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:40 am

Posted by Brettesaurus Rex

Baton Rouge

Member since Dec 2009

38261 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:39 am to tgrbaitn08

@rjonesTP: Kessler: "I have just a few more points, your honor..."

Posted by L S Usetheforce

Member since Jun 2004

23241 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:40 am to sicboy

There is always a loophole.........Isn't this the first thing you learn in law school.......Semantics and antics?

Posted by Tiger Voodoo

Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!

Member since Mar 2007

22097 posts

Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:40 am to TigerinATL

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The players would have lost even if Jesus was head of the NFLPA.

See I don't agree. I feel like the owners don't give a shite one want or the other and would have gladly caved on whether or not Goodell could discipline players solely and without a valid appeals process. It's not a money issue, so the owners wouldn't have cared enough to fight about it and risk losing games, i.e. money.

The players were the only ones that had a reason to make it an issue, and I just don't think the NFLPA or DSmith had the foresight to see something like this coming up.

That is a fireable offense for any union head. Missing a potentially huge drawback for the workers that the owners wouldn't have even put up much of a fight on.