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re: Vilma hearing updates...JUDGE DID NOT RULE TODAY
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:16 am to otisLA85
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:16 am to otisLA85
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Levy- CBA requires RG to prejudge disciplinary issues. NFLPA,and Kessler, agreed to this process in the CBA. PA agreed to this inherent bias
That's a terrible strategy IMO...essentially confirming inherent bias (i.e. unfairness) in the process?
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Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:18 am to Putty
I know its basically saying........we make the rules so don't think about telling us what we can and can't do.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:19 am to otisLA85
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@rjonesTP: The "confidentiality breach" hasn't even been mentioned in passing. Seems as though it was more for court of public opinion than anything
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Levy- process requires RG to declare guilt of player before hearing appeal. That's not improper and not reason to vacate
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NFL pointing to Ben Roethlisberger suspension reduction as proof that Goodell is fair/reduces suspensions after hearing players out
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Levy: I accept your judgment that they did not fail to exhaust in appeals hearing. But they need to show Goodell's bias had impact
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:20 am to Putty
Agreed. Just because you agree to something, does not mean its infallible. If that's really their argument, "oh you agreed to it, too bad," that's pretty shotty
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:20 am to Putty
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That's a terrible strategy IMO
One thing that has been perfectly clear throughout this process is the CBA was a freaking train-wreck. I'm not expecting much considering the PA agreed to something making Goodell judge jury and executioner. As much as I hate Goodell, the PA sound like a bunch of r-tards.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:21 am to otisLA85
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NFL pointing to Ben Roethlisberger suspension reduction as proof that Goodell is fair/reduces suspensions after hearing players out
Yes...remind this female judge that RG is heavy handed on locker room talk but lenient on sexual assault / rape.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:22 am to Putty
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Yes...remind this female judge that RG is heavy handed on locker room talk but lenient on sexual assault / rape.
My hope has just been restored
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:22 am to otisLA85
Ben is a horrible comparison. You're saying that an incident where police were involved an its on record of the wrong doing is the same thing as unfounded accusations?
Really? Am I taking crazy pills?
Really? Am I taking crazy pills?
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:23 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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John DeShazier@JohnDeShazierRoethlisberger had suspension shortened after informal conversation with commish, not an appeals hearing
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:24 am to otisLA85
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Judge- players were caught between rock and hard place.If they argued case before RG on appeal, they might have lost jutisdictional argument
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Berrigan: Players stuck between rock and hard place. Forced to argue merits to Goodell without evidence at hearing or fight his jurisdiction
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:24 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I hope she was familiar with Roth's case.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:25 am to otisLA85
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Levy closing by emphasizing that Judge must defer to collectively bargained process. Point of law is to keep courts out of these disputes.
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Judge wonders if "conduct detrimental" is too broad, a catch-all for commish to discipline
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:27 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:26 am to Putty
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Yes...remind this female judge that RG is heavy handed on locker room talk but lenient on sexual assault / rape.
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One thing that has been perfectly clear throughout this process is the CBA was a freaking train-wreck. I'm not expecting much considering the PA agreed to something making Goodell judge jury and executioner. As much as I hate Goodell, the PA sound like a bunch of r-tards.
This right here. As much as I fricking hate Goodell and hope he is removed because he is a short sighted clown who is going to ruin this league in his pursuit of the 18 game season, D Smith should be straight up fricking canned immediately. NFLPA = RG's bitch
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:26 am to otisLA85
It's been awhile since B-Law, we have a counter argument next right?
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:27 am to otisLA85
So they are arguing exactly what Putty pointed out.........
We don't care if you think its unfair.....We make the rules lady.
We don't care if you think its unfair.....We make the rules lady.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:27 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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we have a counter argument next right?
Yes...reply should be forthcoming...Kessler likely to go off.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:27 am to otisLA85
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Berrigan: "You're making me feel very powerless over here. But I know that's your position." Levy: "Your honor I fully recognize your power"
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Judge to Levy-does "conduct detrimental" override other provisions of CBA? Levy-not for you to decide. Judge- you're making me feel powerless
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:29 am to Putty
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Travers Mackel ?@TraversMackel Judge has lots of questions for NFL lawyers
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:29 am to otisLA85
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Levy-not for you to decide.
The eff???
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:30 am to otisLA85
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Judge again suggesting that this was pay for performance and thus not within commish's jurisdiction.
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A lot of note-passing going on within NFL legal team
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Judge-"this makes me crazy because I don't think this was fair." BUT (big but), she adds, " maybe I can't get to that."
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