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re: Vilma hearing updates...JUDGE DID NOT RULE TODAY
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:55 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:55 am to Patrick O Rly
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Mostly I want Goodell to be embarrassed because he acted like a total dick.
yeah I get this. Was just curious if from a football standpoint this actually does anything. I feel like the extra cap space is more important than Vilma.
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Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:56 am to shinerfan
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This, plus its a small step on the road to getting Payton back.
And THIS!
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:56 am to Patrick O Rly
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We could use him, but I'm fine with what we have now.
Mostly I want Goodell to be embarrassed because he acted like a total dick.
This + I'm just rooting for Vilma on a personal level. The man just got railroaded and came back swinging.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:57 am to otisLA85
I think it would be somewhat uplifting for players. Dont know that it actually matters on the field. But locker room type leaders mean a lot to younger guys. Plus im sure he's their actual friend which gives them a vested interest.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:57 am to otisLA85
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Kessler - in all other conduct detrimental cases,NFL had burden of proof & presented evidence. To extent NFL denies that,they're "making it up"
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:57 am to Putty
Goodell is bad for pro football.
If the game keeps getting watered down under his watch, it's going to eventually be outlawed altogether.
If the game keeps getting watered down under his watch, it's going to eventually be outlawed altogether.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:58 am to hiltacular
It may be. I heard we can transfer free cap space to next year.
Vilma would most likely start the year on the PUP anyway, and he restructured his deal so his cap hit isn't very big anyway.
Vilma would most likely start the year on the PUP anyway, and he restructured his deal so his cap hit isn't very big anyway.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:58 am to otisLA85
This looks like its going well...but where the hell did this Burbank arbitration trial come from? I haven't heard about this.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 9:59 am to otisLA85
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@SportsLawGuy: Half expecting Kessler to do the Frank Drebin umpire dance when he finishes up his argument. No signs of Enrico Palazzo, though.
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@rjonesTP: @chrisk228k Yes. I don't see why she wouldn't rule on Vilma now. She might not rule on dismissal of injunction cases though
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Kessler- this was a "kangaroo court. Fundamentally unfair."
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Kessler said he just got back from London because he was watching his former client.. Oscar Pistorius. Compared his case to the players
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:00 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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where the hell did this Burbank arbitration trial come from? I haven't heard about this.
Burbank is a federal arbitrator that was assigned to settle the issue and he ruled in favor of the NFL and the appeal of his decision is apparently August 30th.
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An arbitrator ruled Monday that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has the authority to discipline New Orleans Saints players for their role in a bounty system.
The NFL Players Association challenged Goodell's power to impose penalties for what the league says was a three-year bounty program that targeted specific players. Stephen Burbank, a University of Pennsylvania law professor, took only five days to determine that Goodell has the power to punish the players under the collective bargaining agreement reached last August to end the lockout.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:02 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:01 am to otisLA85
NFL is up now...
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
Oh ok thanks. So basically if she lets it go to that, Vilmas case is over? Sounds like that's another one of Goodells lap dogs
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:03 am to otisLA85
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Kessler finishing up. "I think I've exhausted myself." Judge- "very impressive." Gregg Levy now up for NFL.
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Berrigan: Seems you don't need a threat of violence for injunction under Norris-LaGuardia act. It's simply sufficient for one
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:06 am to otisLA85
So what's the point of this hearing if the Berrigan thinks she can't rule on the case????? And has to wait on the Burbank appeal anyway.
I just don't get it.
I just don't get it.
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:07 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:07 am to xXLSUXx
That's been my thought/question
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:08 am to xXLSUXx
The judge (although she thinks the process has been unfair) doesn't want to step in prematurely before all appeals have been exhausted.
ETA: When courts rule they set precedents for future rulings, so they have to be careful.
ETA: When courts rule they set precedents for future rulings, so they have to be careful.
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:08 am to otisLA85
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NFL says judge can't do anything until appeals exhausted
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Levy- "my comments are going to be relatively short, especially compared to my friend Mr Kessler"
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@rjonesTP: @pastoralmusings NFL was arguing that for judge to interfere in union issue, there would have to be treat of violence under federal law
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Levy- arguing that commish had jurisdiction to hear case and judge must give deference to RG and Burbank.
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:12 am to otisLA85
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Levy: Mr. Ginsberg largely argues against NFL on merits. I don't think I need to get into the merits
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Part of dispute Judge must decide is appropriate standard of review.Can Judge decide jurisdiction issue de novo or is great deference req'd?
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:14 am to otisLA85
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Jeff Darlington ?@JeffDarlington NFL, as expected, is arguing that even if judge believes punishment was too harsh, the authority came from CBA and is not subject to vacate.
Posted on 8/10/12 at 10:14 am to otisLA85
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NFL says prejudging is a process players have agreed to
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Levy- CBA requires RG to prejudge disciplinary issues. NFLPA,and Kessler, agreed to this process in the CBA. PA agreed to this inherent bias
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Levy addressing point that Goodell "prejudged" players. Says it's called for by CBA that the NFLPA's "intelligent counsel" agreed to
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Levy- commish was prepared to punish players at same time as coaches, but PA asked them to wait so could do own investigation.They never did
This post was edited on 8/10/12 at 10:17 am
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