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re: Video shows Will Smith did initially hit n run Hayes.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:58 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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Why?
...for the same reason everyone is interested in this in the first place. It was a shock to hear that Smith was murdered. Most people wanted to understand what happened. One of the first responses was that this was a reflection on the city and that the crime was rampant, etc. Then, the narrative was that the suspect was a thug who was the kind of person who looks for trouble, yada yada. Now it's starting to look like this is a case of a situation that started as a hit and run by Smith, who may have been drinking, escalated into another accident, and a very heated argument that resulted in the murder.
In short, there were things that Smith did wrong (crimes) that he could have done differently that may have prevented his murder. And, that doesn't change just because Hayes is guilty of murder.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
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WE dont know yet, dumbfrick. At some point you'll understand that point.
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Responding officers did not locate any visible weapons other than the gun authorities believe Hayes used to kill Smith and wound Racquel Smith
What were you saying?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:59 pm to moneyg
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And, that doesn't change just because Hayes is guilty of murder.
I would love to know who said it does.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:59 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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I wasn't really proven wrong. I only saw the 49 second WDSU video. It really only shows the rear end by Smith and doesn't show any cars in front of the Hummer. When the camera points toward the intersection/traffic light, the only other car I saw (that wasn't parked) was the car that crossed Magazine Street @ St. Andrew.
The assumptions you made based on the video were very, very wrong. You admit that right?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:00 pm to LNCHBOX
[quote]Responding officers did not locate any visible weapons[quote]
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:00 pm to hambones
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Does anyone think that the shots that hit Will's wife's leg could've come from a gun that Will was retrieving? I just don't understand how she gets shot twice in the leg. Will got shot in the back and right side of his torso. Did Hayes walk all the way up to the driver's side of Will's car and shoot two more times hitting her in the leg? I think it's more likely that Smith accidentally discharged a gun that he was retrieving from the glove box when he was hit by Hayes's shots. I don't know. I feel like if that is what happened it probably won't be made public.
Maybe she had gotten out of the car after being rear-ended.
In one of the videos she was shown lying down on the sidewalk after being shot.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:01 pm to lsupride87
If it isn't visible to officers, it wasn't visible to Hayes either.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
I agree Lester and therein lies the problem for the defense. Their client chose to pursue an obviously dangerous situation (one in which he must have been comfortable) that placed him in a confrontation with Smith. The end result is two people shot, one dead and three fatherless children. Given what has already been reported, I saw enough of the video to know who is culpable.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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Good, so then you agree that the aggressor is the guy that got the gun.
You seem to be ignoring the possibility that both parties could have been the aggressor. Not everything is black and white. It's very possible that Smith did many things wrong, behaved in an aggressive manner, and was MURDERED by the other guy who also acted aggressively.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:01 pm to LNCHBOX
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Responding officers did not locate any visible weapons other than the gun authorities believe Hayes used to kill Smith and wound Racquel Smith
What were you saying?
There are conflicting reports, genius. The truth will come out eventually.
unbiased witness claims he heard Smith say he had a gun
defense lawyer hints at 2nd weapon
they still needed to get a warrant to search the rest of the car from what news reports said
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:01 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I agree. I guess I dont understand what you were arguing
If it isn't visible to officers, it wasn't visible to Hayes either.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:04 pm to Lester Earl
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There are conflicting reports, genius.
Oh, so the NOPD spokesman is not good enough for you?
So I guess only reports you post should be accepted as fact. quote:
unbiased witness claims he heard Smith say he had a gun
Saying he had one and it being brandished are two very different things.
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defense lawyer hints at 2nd weapon
Oh well that settles it.
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they still needed to get a warrant to search the rest of the car from what news reports said
If the gun wasn't out, it doesn't help Hayes.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:04 pm to moneyg
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It's very possible that Smith did many things wrong
No one said he didn't.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:07 pm to hambones
Also for the people stating that he was sitting in his car, how the hell was he shot on the right side of his body if he was sitting in the driver's seat?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:10 pm to LNCHBOX
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No one said he didn't.
You are arguing that Smith was not the aggressor. And, you didn't quote my entire post.
You are all over the place in your argument.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:10 pm to LNCHBOX
So you think Smith threatened Hayes with a gun he didn't have?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:11 pm to Keeble9145
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Also for the people stating that he was sitting in his car, how the hell was he shot on the right side of his body if he was sitting in the driver's seat?
When he was shot he was standing outside his vehicle, right side toward the rear of the car. Feet at the drivers door and left arm on the steering wheel.
After the cops processed the scene I think they seated him in the vehicle and tried to conceal the scene from onlookers. Will didn't leave with the coroner for 2 1/2 hours after the shooting.
If you look at the crime scene photos, you can see Will's legs/feet. Other pictures show the arm on the steering wheel. Videos kinda show the body in the seat before the police impounded the vehicle.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:11 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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Does anyone think that the shots that hit Will's wife's leg could've come from a gun that Will was retrieving? I just don't understand how she gets shot twice in the leg.
i've also heard this
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:11 pm to Lester Earl
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I witnessed a close friend, teammate and a man that I thought of as one of my big brothers in the NFL shot to death OVER A frickING FENDER BENDER!!!
Sounds like PT saw the whole thing. He may be a big witness for the NOPD right?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:12 pm to LNCHBOX
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If it isn't visible to officers, it wasn't visible to Hayes either.
jeeze - you havent learned about making bold statements based on little to nothing? For all you know it fell beside the seat, or simply wasnt immediately visible for a variety of reasons. why is a wait and see on what comes out on the gun so hard? there are reports that make any reasonable person step back from the rush to judgement on what happened in the argument and whether there was another gun.
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