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Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
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when did i act like that? We've talked about the hit and run all day, and now that you were wrong about it, you want to pretend like I think that justifies the murder? Where the hell is that coming from?
We? You are the one completely focused on why Hayes stopped. Many posters feel there was ample room for Hayes to stop, you might disagree but it doesn't make them wrong. 100 things happened after that and someone ended up dead.
Again. What is your point? Cause it reads like you think Hayes was justified in his actions after that H&R.
A bunch of posters chimed in on this when you first started your schtick in this thread. Non of what you are arguing matters to the ultimate outcome. You don't get to tail someone who rear ends you, ram them, then shoot them.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:21 pm to Vacherie Saint
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We? You are the one completely focused on why Hayes stopped. Many posters feel there was ample room for Hayes to stop, you might disagree but it doesn't make them wrong. 100 things happened after that and someone ended up dead. Again. What is your point? Cause it reads like you think Hayes was justified in his actions after that H&R. A bunch of posters chimed in on this when you first started your schtick in this thread. Non of what you are arguing matters to the ultimate outcome. You don't get to tail someone who rear ends you, ram them, then shoot them
Just take ya L man, damn. you and ole Lunch just need to go take a nap and live to fight another day.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:23 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Cause it reads like you think Hayes was justified in his actions after that H&R.
We know 2 things after the last few days
1)there are people who are already putting Hayes in jail for life (aka, you)
2)and there are people that want to wait and see all the facts, because there are a few in play currently that are in his favor. (me)
I haven't came to the conclusion that he was justified. My "schtick", as you said, has only been to provide facts for people like you that have gotten them skewed. That angers people like you, LNCHBOX, Chadboy and many others for some reason.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
Just because he was arguing about the H&R, that means Lester is Team Hayes all da way.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:29 pm to Lester Earl
Lester - are you saying that one won't be the victim of a violent crime during the course of, or subsequent to, a car accident in that area at that time of night? That would seem to be a demonstrably false assertion.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:29 pm to Keeble9145
Wtf? Just because you are allowing Lester to frame the entire argument, we all have to?
He had plenty of room to stop without forcing the rear collision. The fact that cars were exiting Magazine ahead of them doesn't change that.
Even if he was driving a church bus and Satan himself rear ended him with double birds in the air, how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith?
He is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. You realize that right?
He had plenty of room to stop without forcing the rear collision. The fact that cars were exiting Magazine ahead of them doesn't change that.
Even if he was driving a church bus and Satan himself rear ended him with double birds in the air, how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith?
He is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. You realize that right?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:31 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Even if he was driving a church bus and Satan himself rear ended him with double birds in the air, how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith?
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT OH MY GOD. HOW STUPID ARE YOU?
Let the facts play out man....good God
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:32 pm to teampick
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Lester - are you saying that one is not likely to be the victim of a violent crime during the course of, or subsequent to, a car accident in that area at that time of night? That would seem to be a demonstrably false assertion.
1)I said specifically the hit and run occurred at a very busy intersection, steps away from many cars and pedestrian traffic. No one is trying funny business there. The shooting occurred up the street in a more residential, quiet setting.
2)it wasnt a random act of violence. So your point holds no water.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:37 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Even if he was driving a church bus and Satan himself rear ended him with double birds in the air, how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith? He is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. You realize that right?
what does this have anything to do with you being wrong about everything else? No one mentioned anything about him being innocent lol.
just let it go my man.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:39 pm to Vacherie Saint
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how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith?
He is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. You realize that right?
dude. no one is arguing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the point is. Smith hit and ran Hayes, and it was all Smith;s fault. Everything after that is pointing to hayes as the guilty party currently. Even then, there is still more we need to hear about what happened.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:39 pm to bwallcubfan
Please.
LE and several others have painted Smith as th aggressor in this thread only to stop just short of coming out and saying it. Mind you, there is zero evidence of this. That's going to piss people off on a Saints board so reap what you sow. Especially when you ramble on for 10 pages about how the shooter's braking distance affected his capacity to kill.
If you want people to be fair to Hayes, then hold yourself to the same standard for Will Smith.
LE and several others have painted Smith as th aggressor in this thread only to stop just short of coming out and saying it. Mind you, there is zero evidence of this. That's going to piss people off on a Saints board so reap what you sow. Especially when you ramble on for 10 pages about how the shooter's braking distance affected his capacity to kill.
If you want people to be fair to Hayes, then hold yourself to the same standard for Will Smith.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:40 pm to Vacherie Saint
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If you want people to be fair to Hayes, then hold yourself to the same standard for Will Smith.
this I can agree with.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:43 pm to Lester Earl
I make no point other then the fact that the pursuit situation was obviously potentially dangerous, and the driver of the Hummer must have been very comfortable in his ability to deal with whatever conflict arose including an armed conflict. Every reasonable person in New Orleans would anticipate the possibility of gun play in that situation. In fact, a lot of us would believe it more likely then not. That point will certainly cross the mind of some jurors even if left unsaid.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He had plenty of room to stop without forcing the rear collision. The fact that cars were exiting Magazine ahead of them doesn't change that.
He didn't cause the rear collision shown in this video.
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Even if he was driving a church bus and Satan himself rear ended him with double birds in the air, how does that change the fact that Hayes chase, rammed, then murdered Smith?
The fact that Smith may have been at fault for the initial hit and run doesn't change the fact that he could have been murdered by Hayes. You are absolutely right about that. The thing is, I don't see anyone making that claim. That's a strawman that you created because you've been entirely wrong on this subject of the hit and run.
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He is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. You realize that right?
...perhaps deservedly so. But, I don't have to pretend that Hayes did something wrong during the first hit and run to accept that he still may be guilty of murder. Apparently, you do because you are totally and continuously misinterpreting pretty obvious facts.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:45 pm to Mouth
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this I can agree with.
i am assuming LE is coming across skewed as there are a ton of people making the case for smith and theres no one really giving the other half.
i dont think hes assuming hayes is innocent and smith is the devil as much as assuming some of the basics that everyone agrees on can go without saying, and hes focusing on the controversial points.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:45 pm to Vacherie Saint
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If you want people to be fair to Hayes, then hold yourself to the same standard for Will Smith.
We are. You're the one not being neutral.
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LE and several others have painted Smith as th aggressor in this thread only to stop just short of coming out and saying it.
That's how it comes off to you because you want Smith to be completely innocent because you're a Saints fan. So anything that doesn't make Smith look good pisses you off. All Lester did was debunk the theory (and provided this with comment by a news guy) that Hayes slammed on his brakes in the middle of the street with no one around. Lester won that argument and now you are putting words in his mouth and saying he's justifying the killing. Come on man.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:49 pm to NoSaint
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i am assuming LE is coming across skewed as there are a ton of people making the case for smith and theres no one really giving the other half
when I said I agree, i wasn't referring or saying LE wasn't. It was a general statement.
I disagreed about the hit and run earlier, but since the new video I have changed my stance a bit.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 2:58 pm to moneyg
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The fact that Smith may have been at fault for the initial hit and run doesn't change the fact that he could have been murdered by Hayes. You are absolutely right about that. The thing is, I don't see anyone making that claim. That's a strawman that you created because you've been entirely wrong on this subject of the hit and run.
The only thing I was wrong about was the red light being on St. Andrews instead of magazine. The cars were there, but Hayes still had space and seemed to stop abruptly. Lots of posters agree on that point.
Smith has been dead for 2 days, so when you come on a Saints board and troll for 10 pages, seemingly sympathizing with the shooter, expect some blowback. but LE knows this.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:00 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Anyone saying this loses all credibility. Hayes car was still rolling when hit. There is absolutely nothing abrubt about the stop.
but Hayes still had space and seemed to stop abruptly.
I dont even know why Smith defenders wont admit this obvious fact. It doesnt change anything really. The only important thing is the 20 seconds before the shooting.
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