re: Updated Brees vs Rodgers (The Head to Head Argument)

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Rogers is fantastic, but he’s doesn’t have the arm talent that Drew has.

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Come on dude.

I'm impressed by Rodgers' arm strength and ability to make a play out of what seems like nothing.

I'm impressed with Brees' off the charts accuracy (within 40 yards) and pocket presence.

I believe what separates the two quarterbacks is what can be characterized as an intangible. That is a leadership style which leads to offensive tempo. I don't know if that's coming from Brees or Payton, or both but the tempo of the Saints' offense led by Brees is one of the primary reasons they have been so successful. Not too fast and not too slow. Just goldilocks. That tempo run by Brees keeps defenses on their heels and guessing most of the time.

Right. Important to be reminded that any advantages in either direction are pretty minuscule.

What’s arm talent to you? And how does Rodgers not have it?

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Rogers is fantastic, but he’s doesn’t have the arm talent that Drew has.

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IKR? The guy on the verge of becoming the most statistically dominant qb in the history of the sport... the most accurate q.b of all time could never possibly be more talented than Aaron Rodgers. Laughable.

Aaron Rodgers could have accomplished so much more in SP’s offense that Brees has in the last decade. It’s not even close.

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have no problem with that but saying Rodgers doesn’t have the arm that Brees does makes it seem they’re not comparable.

Neither is much better then the other like the media likes to believe and some Saints fans like you like to believe. Both are super close in terms of talent.

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I’ve given AR all The credit in the world and have acknowledged how close they are in this thread several times. So I’m not sure where the idea that I think AR sucks is coming from.

The fact that some posters on a Saints board are laughing at the thought of Brees being the better QB is the most retarded thing about this thread.

ETA. OK. Here is my response to your very good points and I'll let it die here.

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Both play in offenses that depend that and revolve around them. Also while the NFC South is a more competitive divison, when it comes to defenses neither is much better than the other.

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You keep mentioning more accuracy but you’re only looking at completion %. Rodgers is far more accurate when looking at interception %.

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The NFC North has been the least competitive division since realignment. The NFC South has been among the very best, with all of it members playing for a title and some of the best defenses (Bucs, Panthers) in the NFL over that time. The North has had some good defenses too (Bears, Vikes, but not as consistently over that time period. Fox has some good info on division power ratings that you might find interesting. The NFC North has been GB's for the taking for most of AR's career.

The McCarthy offense is not dissimilar in style to the SP offense, I'll admit. However, its much more apt to underneath passes to open athletes in space, which is why guys like Cobb and Nelson have thrived. This style lends itself well to YAC, completion %, and int's which have fed his rating well. This scheme made Aaron Brooks look good, for cryin out loud. Brees is much more apt to complete a pass in tight coverage, although AR does this pretty damn well too. There are advanced stats out there for tight coverage completions - both are beasts, but Drew is slightly better at it.

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Both have elite ball releases and the differences between the two would be no more than a few tenths of a second. So the only way you would be able to prove this would be to actually time them.

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A few tenths of a second is everything when it comes to release. Release times are recorded and tracked. Brees has the edge here as well.

Like I said, close - but its hard to imagine that Rodgers could have accomplished more in NO than Drew did. Not sure its as improbable that Drew would have been as good as AR in GB. We'll never know, but that's my litmus test for who is better. Rodgers has the stronger arm, better feet, and is more athletic and more patient - I think Drew has the better overall arm, football IQ, and intangibles. His ability to distribute, create, throw receivers open, shoulder fake, and generally make shite receivers like Lance Moore and Willie Snead look all-world are just too impressive to ignore. Agree to disagree.

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A few tenths of a second is everything when it comes to release. Release times are recorded and tracked. Brees has the edge here as well.

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Well since you’ve agreed to disagreed I’m not responding to the rest but I would like a source on this. I’ve been trying to find one for a while.

Dude you are a moron. Time to release from the time of snap has nothing to do with a QBs skill. It has to do with protection. And it Aaron’s case he makes a ton of plays outside of the pocket which would make his longer. Their is something to be said about who has a “quicker release”. But it’s the time from when they start their motion to when the ball comes out. Not snap to throw.

But as I said, you are almost to dumb to argue with. So I’m out. Just thought I’d teach you something so you don’t continue to spew your bullshite