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Thoughts on offensive line
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:10 am
Erik McCoy- I'm not great at watching games live and paying too much attention to detail with OL Blocking. McCoy has been on a slide for 2 years it feels now. I'm not sure what his weakness is and how his strengths could be better utilized. From the outside looking in, 2 years ago, i was a fan of moving Ruiz to Center and McCoy to Guard. I think McCoy has better mobility and Ruiz looks to be more of the solid anchor. Maybe i'm off, maybe they are pretty similar in each of these categories. But I really feel like we need to take a look at moving McCoy to LG and Ruiz to C. Interesting note, they still list McCoy as C/G and Ruiz as G/C on the Saints website.
Ramczyk- It's getting bad. I hope he gets better and its more just technique issues going on. At this rate, i'm not sure how he even finishhes the year much less looking outward to next year. Landon Young is listed as backup RT on roster. Saldiveri is an interesting cat but it appears Saints are invested in moving him to G. Young maybe has an inch on Saldiveri and maybe a few pounds. I'm not sure i've been too happy with Young's development. I expected a bit more by now. Also feel we are wasting developing Nick at a tackle spot. Why is it important that Nick is the backup RG right now if that's the spot on the line most secure at this point? I hope Nick shows up next year at training camp as a much stronger lineman. A year in the nfl strength program could elevate his game a lot coming from Dominion.
Trevor Penning- Our best hope is he just finds ways to keep getting a little bit better. I'd love to move Penning to a RT or a LG spot but all it probably does is set Penning back and create a huge LT void. All options must be considered but i hope he continues to progress while he's regaining health and stays healthy.
Ramczyk- It's getting bad. I hope he gets better and its more just technique issues going on. At this rate, i'm not sure how he even finishhes the year much less looking outward to next year. Landon Young is listed as backup RT on roster. Saldiveri is an interesting cat but it appears Saints are invested in moving him to G. Young maybe has an inch on Saldiveri and maybe a few pounds. I'm not sure i've been too happy with Young's development. I expected a bit more by now. Also feel we are wasting developing Nick at a tackle spot. Why is it important that Nick is the backup RG right now if that's the spot on the line most secure at this point? I hope Nick shows up next year at training camp as a much stronger lineman. A year in the nfl strength program could elevate his game a lot coming from Dominion.
Trevor Penning- Our best hope is he just finds ways to keep getting a little bit better. I'd love to move Penning to a RT or a LG spot but all it probably does is set Penning back and create a huge LT void. All options must be considered but i hope he continues to progress while he's regaining health and stays healthy.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:15 am to Chad504boy
My thoughts on the entire offensive line
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:16 am to saints5021
To note, i wanted Doug Maronne fired a year ago and got downvoted to shite for it. He needs to go and we need new energy in that department. I like Jahri Evans on the staff but we need to hire someone with some coaching development skins on the wall.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:00 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:08 am to Chad504boy
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Trevor Penning- Our best hope is he just finds ways to keep getting a little bit better. I'd love to move Penning to a RT or a LG spot but all it probably does is set Penning back and create a huge LT void. All options must be considered but i hope he continues to progress while he's regaining health and stays healthy.
I'll default to Jarome Bushrods assessment of Penning so far. (I feel like he has no reason to cover for Penning)
He's not quite playing to what you'd expect from a #1 pick yet, but he's showing noticeable improvement every week. At this point he's young and hasn't shown that he's hit his ceiling yet so you have to play him at tackle and trust that he will develop. Maybe later in his career you can move him to the inside but the best thing now for him and the team is have him on the outside.
He also said the as a whole the o-line is not playing well together right now but they have proven that they can come together as a unit and play at a high level when healthy.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:38 am to Snipe
Bushrod is a former saint who played under and loves Doug Marrone. In my opinion especially with his relationship to Marrone he has plenty of reason to cover for Penning. Wouldn’t be shocked if Marrone told him to help get fans off Pennings back. I think his assessment of Penning is pretty biased.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:51 am to Chad504boy
Ruiz has been the worst OL
People are focusing on Mccoy and Ram’s few bad plays and want to pretend it’s a consistent issue over 3 games. The few bad reps are glaring bc they’ve been so steady over the years. They need to get back to bring anchors but they aren’t the big problem
Penning has went from 6 pressures allowed to Key to 4 vs CAR to 1 vs GB. He’s the low hanging fruit for the casuals. Now his run blocking is the glaring weakness in his game
Hurst seeks better suited at tackle. Would be nice to get peat playing well there and let hurst be your extra guy
People are focusing on Mccoy and Ram’s few bad plays and want to pretend it’s a consistent issue over 3 games. The few bad reps are glaring bc they’ve been so steady over the years. They need to get back to bring anchors but they aren’t the big problem
Penning has went from 6 pressures allowed to Key to 4 vs CAR to 1 vs GB. He’s the low hanging fruit for the casuals. Now his run blocking is the glaring weakness in his game
Hurst seeks better suited at tackle. Would be nice to get peat playing well there and let hurst be your extra guy
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:59 am to GynoSandberg
Penning also had 2 crucial holding calls as well- please list everything if you’re talking about pressures.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I think his assessment of Penning is pretty biased.
I think you're dead wrong.
and as evidence there are several people who make a living from covering the New orleans Saints that have plenty of negative things to say about the team and players but most if not all say they see the same thing in Penning. Not what you had hoped to see from your 1st rd LT pick going into his 2nd season (first real season playing) but he's making progress.
IMO it's the fans that are the most biased on these things. They get it in their head that a player is a bust and refuse to see it any other way. Mostly because they can't take their personal feeling out of the equation.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:48 pm to Snipe
You didn’t even address that Bushrod has relationship with Marrone and has stated he loved being coached by him- who also is directly responsible for Pennings progression. So yeah I’ll take what Bushrod says with a grain of salt.
IMO- when a fan like yourself is dead set on a player succeeding they’ll listen to anything that supports their thought regardless of the source. I dont have personal feelings for Penning either way but I’m also not going to listen to an individual evaluation of a player who’s former coach is coaching same player and basically has his job on the line.
PS- no need for the overly aggressive post here. I dont have any personal feelings towards Penning. I was just stating that you’re incorrect that Bushrod doesn’t care either way and is an objective viewpoint. I disagree that he is.
IMO- when a fan like yourself is dead set on a player succeeding they’ll listen to anything that supports their thought regardless of the source. I dont have personal feelings for Penning either way but I’m also not going to listen to an individual evaluation of a player who’s former coach is coaching same player and basically has his job on the line.
PS- no need for the overly aggressive post here. I dont have any personal feelings towards Penning. I was just stating that you’re incorrect that Bushrod doesn’t care either way and is an objective viewpoint. I disagree that he is.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:19 pm to Chad504boy
I posted about us needing OL before the season. Saints are definitely looking at free agents now.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Penning also had 2 crucial holding calls as well- please list everything if you’re talking about pressures.
By two crucial holding calls you mean a 5 yard false start and a declined holding call
You may have wanted him to have two crucial holding calls
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:37 pm to GynoSandberg
Declined holding call because the packers got a first down anyways. The 5 yard false start was a critical drive stopper. But yeah just ignore those things because it doesn’t neatly fit your narrative on how Penning is improving and isn’t part of the oline problem. Yes overall the oline sucks but Penning is also a big part of that. One of the problems has been when you don’t have a strong oline to begin with and you have to support someone like Penning. Its not coincidence that Hurst has struggled as a guard lined up right next to Penning.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:57 pm to Pels_Yaz
My “narrative” is that penning has improved in pass pro. shite run blocking.
Guess we will do this every week, just don’t think you’re going to make up lies and think you’re going to pass em by me
Guess we will do this every week, just don’t think you’re going to make up lies and think you’re going to pass em by me
Posted on 9/28/23 at 1:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:I think you have that backwards. Notice how much worse Ram looked once Hurst moved to the right side? I think Hurst is the weak link. I would bench him and put Peat back in.
Its not coincidence that Hurst has struggled as a guard lined up right next to Penning.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:04 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Marrone told him to help get fans off Pennings back
If anyone doubted your a post generating troll this should be their epiphany.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
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PS- no need for the overly aggressive post here.
Really?
You don't communicate much with people do you.
Sorry you have a hard time with opposing opinions but you should really toughen up a bit and not take things personally.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:08 pm to Chad504boy
don't think there's any choice but to see if the oline as a whole can come around before the end of the year. i hope we don't need to overhaul it this off-season, but it isn't looking good at all. right now it's a big mess and easily the weakest group on the team.
what if penning doesn't pan out at lt?
what if ram is done at rt?
can salvaderi be moved to lg at some point?
what if penning doesn't pan out at lt?
what if ram is done at rt?
can salvaderi be moved to lg at some point?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:19 pm to Chad504boy
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Thoughts on offensive line
It’s bad and they should feel bad!
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:56 pm to goatmilker
Lol love you chiming in. Time for you to put up non relevant insignificant old racial gif since you are the Seth Mcfarlane of Tigerdroppings.
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