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re: tAthletic Early Power Rankings: Saints come in at #28
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And then they won the South and made the playoffs in 2021. We did neither. And then they won the South and made the playoffs in 2022. We did neither.
They had Tom Brady you dumbfrick.
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They won a title, in the past. We did not win a title during this can-kicking era.
No we didnt, we got fricking robbed pussy, what about that dont you get?
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In order to win a title. They did. Now they're rebuilding. We failed to win a title and refuse to rebuild, while missing the playoffs.
They “can kicked” and won a title. And we were doing the same thing and got fricking robbed out of our title chances. Again, what about that do you not get? fricking idiot. The Saints are wrong tho. Not the Rams. Rigghht.
Saints were in great position. And we got screwed. Your title or bust mentality is the retarded expectation.
Which is why folks understand that you have to give yourself a chance and anything can happen (ex Eli manning and his 9-7 teams that win SuperBowls).
And the rams are NOT “rebuilding” they are executing the same strategy as the Saints and often have a high dead cap. Kupp is a great example. He will likely be restructured. Just like Saints did with MT until they can get rid of him. Dumbfrick.
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Tampa ate shite for a year to fix their cap, and still made the playoffs while we kept can kicking.
No they didnt. They had Tom Brady and replaced him with Baker. And went 9-8 just like the Saints and we beat the dogshit out of them before the plaoffs.
Now bucs have to pay Baker or move on. They are going to pay him. Placing the Bucs in the EXACT same boat as the Saints. Banking on a mid tier QB and defense.
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Why are you bringing up moves made so far in the past that aren't relevant? Everyone was fine with can kicking while we had a window. Same as LAR and TB. The difference is they realized when the window was closed and we have just made everything worse (while still being so mediocre we can't even make the playoffs).
See above, again the Rams/Bucs are in the same position as the Saints and are usual suspects having high arse deadcap. You say that they made the playoffs and we didnt over and over pussy, stfu already.
Bucs went 9-8 and we beat their asses to cap the year. Rams went 10-7. These teams are in the same BOAT as the Saints.
Stafford is older and def a mid tier QB and the Rams have bad contracts overcome.
If Donald retires, he’s their RRamcyzk.
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Now your spin is that a team with a high deadcap is better than the Saints high deadcap because (a) they sold out for a championship or (b) theyre rebuilding.
This is your spin. Its trash.
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You also just have shitty teams and GMS.
Which you beleive is the Saints, despite years of success, 7th best record since 2020, a SuperBowl, and a bunch of other seasons where we were close. And got ROBBED.
Bucs/Rams are in the same boat as the saints. Currently. Youre just a fricking pussy fan who wants to bitch like the Karen you are. Shitty fan. And a pussy.
Which brings me back to my original point. The salary cap is ongoing and ever changing, as are contract values etc. As posted above the top 4 teams with the highest deadcaps were in the playoffs in 2023, the Bucs, Rams, Packers, and Eagles. All in the playoffs and all with a SIMILAR record as the Saints. 9-8/10-7, and Philly went 11-6 but in a bad way. Saints finished strong.
The Bucs and Packers (and Panthers, Cardinals, Titans, Texans, Vikings) in particular were not selling out for a championship. And theyre not necessarily rebuilding either.
There are several factors that play into the salary cap and why teams will/wont have a high dead cap, retiring players, etc. Teams manage it year to year and try to field the best team they can while winning games. The Saints have been doing that well for a LONGTIME now.
The metric for NFL success is not watching deadcap you fricking pussy. Which is why the following was posted:
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SFP makes a post about NFL power rankings. It only addresses teams’ salary cap. Seems on par.
Par for the course. Shut the frick up pussy. Youre a fricking clown.
By the way metric for success is winning. Saints have 7th most since 2000 pussy and a Super Bowl.
Sorry that you just a pussy Karen and that bothers you.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 2:18 pm
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Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They've also drafted elite LBs, OL, and a solid WR/RB
Don’t be intentionally retarded. Pacheco is a solid player that’s not even close to elite. Willie Gay is not elite and neither is Bolton. They’re solid, like Werner but not like Fred Warner like you’re making them out to be. They also signed Tranquil.
Their OL was objectively bad this year outside of Humphrey, who they did draft, and Thuney, who they signed as a FA. The rest were average or, in the case of their Tackles, just flat out bad. The rest of their skill position groups are meh, Kelce is older and their WR room outside of Rice, was laughably bad this year. It didn’t matter because Mahomes was THAT good.
On defense, they have three great players (McDuffie, Sneed and Jones) the rest are average. So yeah, outside of those 3 + Mahomes, an aging Kelce and a top 5 Center, a bunch of average players. Mahomes is that good. They’re hardly what I would call a well run organization. They’re not Carolina. But it’s pretty easy to win and not the worst thing if you miss on picks when you’re propped up by a QB that is probably going to end up being better than Brady. I’m not saying they’re poorly run by any means. I’m just saying I wouldn’t use them as an example because their roster isn’t exactly stacked and Mahomes makes up for a lot of their mistakes, not unlike Brady in the latter half of his Pats career
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:30 pm to paulbeasy
You’re fighting a losing battle. You’re arguing with someone who would talk down a brick wall. He never posts anything positive about the Saints and constantly shits on them, half the time it’s warranted but I don’t even know if he likes the Saints 
All this bitching and crying is a moot point now that they’re going to restructure Carr and double down on DA. Now the organization kind of deserves SFP’s rants.
All this bitching and crying is a moot point now that they’re going to restructure Carr and double down on DA. Now the organization kind of deserves SFP’s rants.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:32 pm to Townedrunkard
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Look at their draft this year, a guard who started every game, an edge player with 8 sacks as a rookie, a dt that was third in rookie of the year voting and a rookie wideout that broke nfl records.
They had a better draft this year with no high picks compared to what Loomis has had the last 6-7 years combined. It’s pretty pathetic.
They believe in quantity over this magical drafting ability and it's been a good strategy for them under this regime for sure.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Pacheco is a solid player that’s not even close to elite.
Good thing I said
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and a solid WR/RB
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. Willie Gay is not elite and neither is Bolton.
Bolton is REALLY good dude.
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Their OL was objectively bad this year outside of Humphrey, who they did draft, and Thuney, who they signed as a FA. The rest were average or, in the case of their Tackles, just flat out bad.
They drafted Humphery and Smith, who were both have been really good to elite.
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They’re hardly what I would call a well run organization.
You may be the only person on earth with this take. Literally.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:43 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Don’t be intentionally retarded.
Beyond intentional. Its pussy fandom at its finest, and I dont mind calling a spade a spade.
Saint have the 7th most wins since 2000, and Super Bowl and a lot of success to look back on.
6th most since 2010, the beginning of his alleged can kicking theories.
He’s too dumb to realize that the only material change was that Drew Brees’ cheap arse original contract lasted from 2006-2011 and the bargain rate we had him at was over at that point.
The came the Brees restructures etc.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:48 pm to WicKed WayZ
For real. He seems to live a sad life. If a sports team made me this miserable, I'd find another one or quit keeping up with it
Posted on 2/17/24 at 2:51 pm to msstate7
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For real. He seems to live a sad life. If a sports team made me this miserable, I'd find another one or quit keeping up with it
Right.
I have enjoyed watching to Saints go from shitty/worst team in the NFL to top ten/five arguably.
Been quite a ride. fricking shame the NFL rigged us or we would have 2 Super Bowls not 1.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:04 pm to paulbeasy
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They had Tom Brady you dumbfrick.
Which gave them a title window.
Exactly.
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No we didnt, we got fricking robbed pussy, what about that dont you get?
You can continue your emotional melt.
I'll remain logical and discuss reality.
The Rams won a title, in the past. We did not win a title during this can-kicking era.
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They “can kicked” and won a title.
Which is fine.
When the window ended, they stopped kicking can, ate shite for a year, and rebuilt their cap situation.
We can kicked and won jack shite. Now we're can kicking and can't even make the playoffs.
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Saints were in great position. And we got screwed.
When did we get screwed out of a title in 2021, 2022, or 2023?
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And the rams are NOT “rebuilding”
Well not as much anymore, considering they made the playoffs and have their cap situation under control.
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Kupp is a great example. He will likely be restructured.
Why? They have like $25M in cap room.
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Just like Saints did with MT
We restructured MT to get under the cap.
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No they didnt. They had Tom Brady
And ate shite cap-wise due to his dead cap.
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and replaced him with Baker
Bargain basement QB shopping while in cap hell.
And they made the playoffs.
We overpaid for a similar QB and are in worse cap hell and failed to make the playoffs. Who was smarter in 2023?
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They are going to pay him. Placing the Bucs in the EXACT same boat as the Saints.
Wrong. We were in cap hell and signed Carr.
They have $33.7M in cap room. They may choose to use some of this on Baker, but that's within a completely different cap scenario (Being $50M+ above the cap and signing a QB).
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These teams are in the same BOAT as the Saints.
After both made the playoffs, here are the cap situations of all 3:
Bucs: $33.7M in cap room. $0.2M in dead cap
Rams: $23.7M in cap room. $0.7M in dead cap
Saints: $87.8M over the cap. $2.8M in dead cap (as of today)
Explain to me how over $100M in cap room differences are the "same BOAT", please.
OH, and how making the playoffs v. not making the playoffs is the "same BOAT".
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Stafford is older and def a mid tier QB and the Rams have bad contracts overcome.
Easy to do when you're under the cap. I already said they're way under the cap with their QB, WR1, and HOF DI under contract (no smoke and mirrors).
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If Donald retires, he’s their RRamcyzk.
No. Again, they're under the cap.
Also if he retires, they will gain $0.6M in cap room today. They could kick can and do it after June 1 and get $16.6M in cap room this year and push some into 2025 (no clue why they'd do this).
If Ram retires pre-June 1, he has a net $5.6M cap hit. That means we would end up about $93M over the cap if we had to do it this way. Also, more importantly, we lose his contract as a piggy bank to kick can, which is a big deal.
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The Bucs and Packers (and Panthers, Cardinals, Titans, Texans, Vikings) in particular were not selling out for a championship.
Bucs already did
Vikings tried to but I imagine may give it up this year. They're interesting. They could pull a Saints and triple down, but it would likely cost them Jordan Jefferson, so it's unlikely they go this route.
Packers had to deal their franchise QB b/c he demanded it. Losing a QB is one way to get a huge dead cap.
The Texans had cap room and dealt Cooks for value. They are rebuilding. They had cap room, so dead cap is largely irrelevant. Now they have $58M in cap room to spend with a QB 1 and playoff appearance (more than we have had in 3 years).
Panthers, Cardinals, and Titans are not well-run franchises. If you want to be like them, then you're no fan.
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The Saints have been doing that well for a LONGTIME now.
Except the past 3 years, which is the window everyone is discussing.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:05 pm to paulbeasy
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6th most since 2010, the beginning of his alleged can kicking theories.
No we're talking 2021 onward.
Only you bring up this arbitrary 2010 year
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:05 pm to msstate7
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If a sports team made me this miserable, I'd find another one or quit keeping up with it
Miserable? What?
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:07 pm to paulbeasy
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I have enjoyed watching to Saints go from shitty/worst team in the NFL to top ten/five arguably.
What about mediocre and outside of the playoffs, like we have been the past 3 years?
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Been quite a ride. fricking shame the NFL rigged us or we would have 2 Super Bowls not 1.
Even ignoring your goalpost moving, coulda/woulda/shoulda.
We are discussing the current era of the Saints
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Explain to me how over $100M in cap room differences are the "same BOAT", please. OH, and how making the playoffs v. not making the playoffs is the "same BOAT".
Well numbnuts, both teams had 70plus million in dead cap last year.
Next year for all 3 teams - no one know yet.
And if you cant see that the 9-8 saints beat the shite of out the 9-8 Bucs and the Bucs are not in a league ahead of the Saints you cant be helped.
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No we're talking 2021 onward.
This above discussion is from 2021 onward. All had similar records last year and all three are teams that have held high dead cap over the years.
Rams/Bucs are not on some upward trajectory compared to the Saints.
Bucs got to pay Mayfield top dollar now. Stafford old and getting paid.
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The Rams won a title, in the past. We did not win a title during this can-kicking era.
Your a fricking idiot. Nfl screwing the Saints means the Saints front office messed up. Sureee.
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Why? They have like $25M in cap room.
Are you dense? Rams are desperate to fix Kupps contract situation. He’s owed a shite ton for spotty production.
LINK
Read it moron.
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Bargain basement QB shopping while in cap hell.
How much do you think Baker gets next year moron???? And where would that leave the Bucs? In the same boat as the Saints with a mid tier qb getting paid upper mid tier money.
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Panthers, Cardinals, and Titans are not well-run franchises. If you want to be like them, then you're no fan.
Yet you think the Saints are like these teams.
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The Saints have been doing that well for a LONGTIME now.
Except the past 3 years, which is the window everyone is discussing.
First of all we had a similar three year stretch of going 7-9 before 2018.
Second, the past history is relevant especially 2018/2020etc. the same timeframe where the Rams/Bucs were right and the Saints wrong because they won a championship. While pretending like the Saints didnt get screwed, and/or wouldnt have a second SB win if we didnt get screwed. I bet you wear Rams/Bucs clothes now, since the Saints couldbt overcome the refs and win the SuperBowl for you.
Ignore the Saints’ success all you want pussy. Figures you would crybaby. I’ll call be here to call you a pussy for it. I dont mind calling a spade a spade.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:45 pm to paulbeasy
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Well numbnuts, both teams had 70plus million in dead cap last year.
Because they both ate shite due to their windows closing and engaging in a cap/roster rebuild.
We did not.
Why are you avoiding the question? It's a simple question. I'll ask again:
Explain to me how over $100M in cap room differences are the "same BOAT", please. OH, and how making the playoffs v. not making the playoffs is the "same BOAT".
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This above discussion is from 2021 onward. All had similar records last year and all three are teams that have held high dead cap over the years.
Because they had title windows (and both won titles in those windows).
Once the windows were over, they stopped huge dead caps and can kicking and took their medicine. This is what we should have done in 2021.
They are over the hump.
We haven't even started climbing our mountain.
They both made the playoffs last year.
We haven't made the playoffs in each of the 3 years following our strategical mistake.
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Rams/Bucs are not on some upward trajectory compared to the Saints.
They're already ahead of us both on the field (playoffs) and in terms of cap (over $100M in difference in cap situations)
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Your a fricking idiot. Nfl screwing the Saints means the Saints front office messed up. Sureee.
The "Nfl screwing the Saints" happened before the timeframe we're discussing.
2018 is 3 years prior to 2021, bubba. We're talking 2021-2023
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Rams are desperate to fix Kupps contract situation. He’s owed a shite ton for spotty production.
LINK
Read it moron.
Perhaps you should read it.
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I do not expect the front office to address this matter
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How much do you think Baker gets next year moron???? And where would that leave the Bucs? In the same boat as the Saints
Actually they'll still be $70-80M apart in cap situations
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Yet you think the Saints are like these teams.
I think we're making mistakes, but not as bad as them...yet.
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Ignore the Saints’ success all you want pussy.
What success have they had in 2021, 2022, or 2023?
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Reading posts can be tricky, but you certainly come across as crying incessantly
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:50 pm to msstate7
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but you certainly come across as crying incessantly
Posted on 2/17/24 at 4:08 pm to msstate7
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Reading posts can be tricky, but you certainly come across as crying incessantly
Correct. Guy is a walking vagina.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 4:21 pm to paulbeasy
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Correct. Guy is a walking vagina.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 4:31 pm to paulbeasy
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Second, the past history is relevant especially 2018/2020etc. the same timeframe where the Rams/Bucs were right and the Saints wrong because they won a championship. While pretending like the Saints didnt get screwed, and/or wouldnt have a second SB win if we didnt get screwed
I don’t think anyone is questioning what the front office did from 2017-2020. They had an open championship window with a franchise QB and built a contender, that’s all you can ask of the front office.
This disconnect you seem to have is he’s talking about what has happened since. So to summarize 2017-2020, great job by the Front Office. 2021-present not such a good job. Current situation looks mediocre at best.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 4:32 pm
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