re: Spinoff: Why does Aaron Brooks get so much hate?

Saying Aaron Brooks was a below average QB is talking out of my arse?? Guess a lot of people talk out of their arse then. You realize you also talk in a matter of fact way as well?

No doubt that he threw for a lot of yards and TDs. But what about other things such as his completion %, INTs, fumbles, and record as a starter? Compare that with other QBs and see where he stacks up.

38 - 44 as a starter. Best season completion % wise was 59.1%. Career completion % was 56.3%. Was 26th in completion percentage in 2001, 27th in 2002, 15th in 2003, 24th in 2004, and 28th in 2005. Average ranking in completion percentage over 5 seasons with the Saints was 24th in the league. Below average.

Threw 120 TDs, but also had 84 INTs and 59 fumbles. 4.3% of his plays went for TDs. 3.0% of his plays went for INTs. Thats horrible. Also had a bunch of sacks over that time period. Not all his fault, but partially is his fault.

His career passer rating as a Saint was 79.7. Was only ranked in the top 16 in passer rating 1 year out of the 5 he played for the Saints, 2003. Was 21st in 2001, 23rd in 2002, 9th in 2003 19th in 2004, and 37th in 2005. His average ranking was 22nd, below average.

Its not like Im saying hes the worst QB ever, just below average. He had some moments where he looked like he could be great, like the 2003 season. But they were too few and far between his horrible moments.

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Saying Aaron Brooks was a below average QB is talking out of my arse?? Guess a lot of people talk out of their arse then.

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Uhhh yeah

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Saying Aaron Brooks was a below average QB is talking out of my arse?? Guess a lot of people talk out of their arse then.

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Gueess so.

You do not know what below average is. You should use your awesome google skills and see all the good QBs with similar career completion % and QB rating as Brooks, if that's what you want to crutch your argument on.

Fumbles? Record as a starter? Sacks? Keep reaching. Those are mostly by products of playing on terrible teams.

Throwing 36 more TDs than INTs is also considered below average now

2001 - 55.9%, 27 total TDs, 24 total turnovers.

2002- 53.6%, 29 total TDs, 20 total turnovers.

2003 - 59.1%, 26 total TDs, 19 total turnovers ( his best passing year by far, only 8 INTs but had 11 fumbles lost)

2004 - 57%, 25 total TDs, 18 total turnovers.

2005 - 55.7%, 15 total TDs, 19 total turnovers.

So 122 total TDs to 100 total turnovers as a fulltime starter. 1.2 : 1 TD:Turnover ratio. Yea I would say thats below average. Curious to know who everyone thinks is an average NFL QB. If relatively healthy, most "average" NFL QBs can stay in the league longer than Brooks did as well.

Some of the guys with similar completion % and QB rating were great QBs. They played in a completely diff era in a completely diff game. Look at the average QB rating by decade. In the 60s it was 69.4, 80s it was 74.4, and so on. The average got better as the game grew into a passing game. The QBs that are ranked near Brooks and played in the same timeframe as him are Kyle Orton, Chris Chander, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Rypien, Elvis Grbac, Jon Kitna, Charlie Batch.

And once again, its not like Im saying Brooks was horrible or anything like that. In 2003, his best season by far, he was a solid and consistent NFL QB. 2001, 2002, 2004 he was a little below avearge. 2005 he was flat out horrible. 1 solid year out of 5 as a starter.

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Curious to know who everyone thinks is an average NFL QB. If relatively healthy, most "average" NFL QBs can stay in the league longer than Brooks did as well.

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Tom Brady for instance, threw 124 TD passes in the same time period.

Guess how many QBs threw for more yards than Brooks from when he became a starter thru 2004. just guess,,,,

I'll help you. Payton Manning, Brett Favre, and Daunte Culpepper.

No mention of Brooks being 2nd in NFL in comeback victories during this time either to Tom Brady either.

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So 122 total TDs to 100 total turnovers as a fulltime starter.

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you're doing a swell job of skewing stats here. Lol, pinning all fumbles lost on him, so 120 TDs to 100 total turnovers. My god, can you reach any more. Using any stats from the Katrina season is also a joke.

And no mention of his 13 rushing TDs as a Saint. Ironic.

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Curious to know who everyone thinks is an average NFL QB

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as opposed to someone thinking a guy that can finish 2nd, 5th, and 7th in the WHOLE NFL in TD passes can be a below average QB.

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. The QBs that are ranked near Brooks and played in the same timeframe as him are Kyle Orton, Chris Chander, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jim Harbaugh, Mark Rypien, Elvis Grbac, Jon Kitna, Charlie Batch.

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TD passes

Brooks: 123 (93 games, 7 seasons)

Kitna 169 (141 games, 16 seasons)
Grbac 99 TDs (105 games, 8 seasons)
Rypien 115 TDs (104 games, 11 seasons)
Orton 83 TDs (75 games, 9 seasons)
Fitz 105 TDs (86 games, 9 seasons)
Harabaugh 129TDs (177 games, 14 seasons)
Batch 61 TDs (81 games, 12 seasons)

Im not sure what I am missing here. Brooks basically started 5.5 seasons, and has accomplished more than any of these guys who have played much longer.

So you are saying their QB ratings are the same?

is that like saying Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo are the same as Peyton Manning because they have the same passer rating? Or Rich Gannon is = to Brett Favre? How does that work?

"We had a chance to go to the playoffs, and I got hard-headed because Aaron Brooks got hurt, " Haslett said to Rams beat reporter Jim Thomas in an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this week. "I should've put the backup in and didn't. Everybody wanted the backup in, and I didn't. In hindsight, I probably should have, because the backup turned out to be a pretty darn good quarterback, Jake Delhomme."


This is why Jim Haslett should never be a head coacb in the NFL again. His ego overrides the team.

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Why does Aaron Brooks get so much hate?

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I never got to the point of hating him and as a matter of fact was really excited with his potential for his 1st couple of years. But towards the end of his career in NO, I did get sick of the grinning like a possum after yet another one of his high-lite reel blooper plays.

But the biggest reason I was ready to see him go by the end was it was obvious by that time he had become really gun shy in the pocket. I think my main memories of him now are his famous taking the snap and immediately starting to fade backwards...and backwards....and backwards.

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Let's not forget that he played injured in front of Delhomme, a player that was obviously the better choice.

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That choice was obvious only during Brooks ' injury period. I blame Haslett more than anything.

AB's grin after throwing picks erked me to the max. I was glad when he left.

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Why does Aaron Brooks get so much hate?

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He once called a timeout while at UV because they did not have enough players on the field. He forgot to count himself, that's why.















Oh and the freaking smirk on his face every freaking time he threw a INT.