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re: Simplest Carr breakdown - update with trade speculation post June 1
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:15 pm to bonethug0180
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:15 pm to bonethug0180
You really think that’s a strategy and not a necessity huh? Loomis danced with the devil and it will continue in perpetuity until a hard reset is in place.
Pushing money on older, declining players seems smart to only you and Loomis. Works great when they suck, you can’t cut em and you can’t trade em. Not only were some of those really shite signings, he also went and doubled down on most of them moving the money.
Pushing money on older, declining players seems smart to only you and Loomis. Works great when they suck, you can’t cut em and you can’t trade em. Not only were some of those really shite signings, he also went and doubled down on most of them moving the money.
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Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:31 pm to GynoSandberg
It's obviously a strategy because Loomis laid it out quite plainly in an interview before we even signed Carr. The concept is simple: as long as it's allowed to keep borrowing money from future years there is literally no reason not to do so. As long as you understand how to plan ahead and know when what dead money is going to hit, you just constantly push as there is no penalty for doing so. And if you push and don't use some of the money, you just carry it back forward into that next year, which means whatever you borrowed but don't spend is never lost.
So why the frick not borrow if you can choose to put it right back if you don't see something you like?
So why the frick not borrow if you can choose to put it right back if you don't see something you like?
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:32 pm to bonethug0180
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Because we have had years where those guys were on the cap for peanuts compared to their average salary, so in those years they were our cheap players.
So where are our multiple championships that we should have when we had all this talent on the cheap?
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:38 pm to bonethug0180
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So why the frick not borrow if you can choose to put it right back if you don't see something you like?
What has it gotten you?
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:40 pm to Geauxldilocks
I never said we had everyone on the cheap. I said every time we sign a FA, they are on the cheap that first year.
And we have the 6th best record since 2006, which shows the staying power of never letting your team just be shitty any year on purpose like some want.
People can argue this and that, but the clear issue plaguing us the last 2 years (and really even a few years further back with injuries to Brees and Winston and numerous other players) have made it extremely hard to compete, but where most other teams would have folded completely those years our QBs went down (or other very key players, or like our whole Oline being banged up), we still managed to stay competitive and not be a complete laughing stock.
This past year the injuries got to the point of ridiculousness, but people refuse to admit that as the main reason for the failing (though I am personally thankful it finally rid us of Allen), and I'd love for someone to point to what teams have dealt with that level of injuries but we're still successful.
But instead we'll blame it on the cap and the fact that it didn't allow us to have starters across almost every position since just about every fricking player last year was hurt at one point, if not for extended periods or the whole year. No team, even those that ALWAYS have cap space or "spend wisely" have that many starter level players on their bench. Most teams are lucky to have a handful of starter level players on the bench.
And we have the 6th best record since 2006, which shows the staying power of never letting your team just be shitty any year on purpose like some want.
People can argue this and that, but the clear issue plaguing us the last 2 years (and really even a few years further back with injuries to Brees and Winston and numerous other players) have made it extremely hard to compete, but where most other teams would have folded completely those years our QBs went down (or other very key players, or like our whole Oline being banged up), we still managed to stay competitive and not be a complete laughing stock.
This past year the injuries got to the point of ridiculousness, but people refuse to admit that as the main reason for the failing (though I am personally thankful it finally rid us of Allen), and I'd love for someone to point to what teams have dealt with that level of injuries but we're still successful.
But instead we'll blame it on the cap and the fact that it didn't allow us to have starters across almost every position since just about every fricking player last year was hurt at one point, if not for extended periods or the whole year. No team, even those that ALWAYS have cap space or "spend wisely" have that many starter level players on their bench. Most teams are lucky to have a handful of starter level players on the bench.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:45 pm to BilJ
It has gotten us a championship, several playoff runs, and having been competitive down to the last game of the season almost every single year.
We have had so many near misses on making the playoffs, where other teams have just been laughing stocks for years.
It has gotten us the 6th best record in the entire league since 2006.
So it has done a lot for us. The failing of Allen and the amount of injuries the last couple of years have soured people, but they are misguided in where they are putting their anger about it. The cap is literally the least of our issues, and we have shown the ability to sign many marquee FAs over many years (even though not all have panned out, we still were able to sign them), without EVER needing to take a reset because we operate years ahead, not just on the current year.
Bad luck with injuries and bad signings have fricked us way more than the cap has ever come close to doing. That and Allen.
We have had so many near misses on making the playoffs, where other teams have just been laughing stocks for years.
It has gotten us the 6th best record in the entire league since 2006.
So it has done a lot for us. The failing of Allen and the amount of injuries the last couple of years have soured people, but they are misguided in where they are putting their anger about it. The cap is literally the least of our issues, and we have shown the ability to sign many marquee FAs over many years (even though not all have panned out, we still were able to sign them), without EVER needing to take a reset because we operate years ahead, not just on the current year.
Bad luck with injuries and bad signings have fricked us way more than the cap has ever come close to doing. That and Allen.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:50 pm to bonethug0180
Bad luck. Bad injuries. Bad signings. Bad coach hiring. Bad to Mediocre drafts. Bad in cap.
Bad GM.
Bad GM.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 8:51 pm to bonethug0180
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More and more have though, they are just far behind the curve, and many don't have the people that can properly keep an eye on future years to make sure everything stays balanced.
Oh well that settles it. The most successful franchises in the nfl aren’t able to keep up with Mickey’s beautiful mind.
Do you REALLY think an NFL front office can’t hire top tier accountants as front office executives to “keep an eye” on future years for 53 players if this “strategy” was as beneficial as the Mickey apologists purport it to be?
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:00 pm to bonethug0180
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And we have the 6th best record since 2006
Irrelevant today with Brees and Payton gone. Loomis caught lightening in a bottle that the Packers passed on Payton and the Dolphins passed on Brees.
We’re not desirable by any stretch and the 6th best record since whenever gets worse every year as time passes on. We are losers.
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:03 pm to bonethug0180
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It has gotten us a championship, several playoff runs, and having been competitive down to the last game of the season almost every single year.
When you have a HOF coach and QB, you can get away with a lot.
Once they left, this strategy is clearly failing. You’re being incredibly dishonest when you lump it all together and not separate eras.
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We have had so many near misses on making the playoffs, where other teams have just been laughing stocks for years.
Given the schedule breaks you got, horrible division, and expanded playoffs not making the playoffs is an even bigger fail.
frick dude signing Carr was what was supposed to put us over the the top to finish as tallest midget in the south and we still couldn’t.
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:06 pm to bonethug0180
You’re getting it twisted. No one is questioning that this is indeed Loomis’ “strategy” or that he knows how to effectively move money around.
It’s fine when you’re in contention every year with Brees and CSP. From 2006 to 2020 you had the 4th best win% in the league. You have the 20th best win % since 2020, haven’t won a division or made the playoffs
And you talk about injuries - you simply cannot fill all your holes via the draft. You need money to build adequate depth. You see bums off the street playing OL and WR when we have injuries, but keep thinking this is the way
It’s fine when you’re in contention every year with Brees and CSP. From 2006 to 2020 you had the 4th best win% in the league. You have the 20th best win % since 2020, haven’t won a division or made the playoffs
And you talk about injuries - you simply cannot fill all your holes via the draft. You need money to build adequate depth. You see bums off the street playing OL and WR when we have injuries, but keep thinking this is the way
Posted on 3/9/25 at 9:12 pm to GynoSandberg
Right when you have a brees and Payton you can overcome a lot of roster shortcomings
When you operate under this strategy without them the margins are so slim every mis signing or bad draft pick is magnified and stings even worse
When you operate under this strategy without them the margins are so slim every mis signing or bad draft pick is magnified and stings even worse
Posted on 3/9/25 at 10:25 pm to BilJ
Yes we aren’t operating at a significant disadvantage. This is Loomis’ well thought out, long play. When will these idiots learn!
Posted on 3/9/25 at 10:49 pm to GynoSandberg
A lot of ignorant dummies out there in the league that don’t get how it works apparently, meanwhile Mickey is hanging banners like
“Almost made the playoffs 2022, 2023”
“Drafting #9 so didn’t totally bottom out like other franchises 2024”
“Almost made the playoffs 2022, 2023”
“Drafting #9 so didn’t totally bottom out like other franchises 2024”
Posted on 3/10/25 at 8:04 am to bonethug0180
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It has gotten us a championship, several playoff runs, and having been competitive down to the last game of the season almost every single year. We have had so many near misses on making the playoffs, where other teams have just been laughing stocks for years. It has gotten us the 6th best record in the entire league since 2006.
All facts.
The question is not about Loomizing here. Mostly Im questioning how much the Saints and Carr like each other.
I hope we are using Carr for what he’s worth, while we are obviously keeping him as opposed to a blow up.
And then looking for the future. If we took a top qb in either of this draft or the next I’ll be happy.
I like Rattler as a long term backup like Chase Daniels. If thats why the Saints like him so much. Hard to tell at this point.
I hope we dont see Rattler as the future. A DC to Rattler succession plan aint it.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:07 am to P bean
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I like Rattler as a long term backup like Chase Daniels. If thats why the Saints like him so much. Hard to tell at this point.
If I had to guess what I think rattler will become with some experience it’s a backup with some juice. I think he’s a guy that ideally could win you a couple of games on an extended starting qb injury but will ultimately make too many mistakes to prolong it once he’s been starting for a few weeks.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:11 am to GynoSandberg
anyone talking about what happened from 2006 to 2020 has already lost the argument.
It is completely irrelevant.
What has happened since Brees (and CSP) left is the only thing that matters now. We have a large enough sample size.
It is completely irrelevant.
What has happened since Brees (and CSP) left is the only thing that matters now. We have a large enough sample size.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:11 am to bonethug0180
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It has gotten us a championship, several playoff runs, and having been competitive down to the last game of the season almost every single year.
Having a first ballot HoF QB and likely HoF coach got us that. This organization is in another galaxy when they haven’t been the driving force. So the “since 2006” trope died when they left.
This post was edited on 3/10/25 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
The Saints had a real chance to compete at a very high level in the nfl. injuries and situations bit us in the arse. We had the worst luck in the nfl bar none over past 4 years.
Posted on 3/10/25 at 9:18 am to GynoSandberg
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Yes we aren’t operating at a significant disadvantage. This is Loomis’ well thought out, long play. When will these idiots learn!
This is actually good news for us because a lot of our salary issues will solve themselves next offseason if the Saints don’t go totally stupid this offseason. But not sure if that will be the case based on Loomis wanting to be aggressive this offseason.
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