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re: Simplest Carr breakdown - update with trade speculation post June 1
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:31 pm to TheBeezer
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:31 pm to TheBeezer
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Tank for arch, the better Texas qb
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I doubt his granddad would want that TBH. He would probably engineer something similar to what Eli did with the Chargers and the Giants back in 2004. Which still worked out for the Chargers since they got Philip Rivers.
Where is this coming from other than the pitiful imaginations of defeatist "fans"?
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Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:34 pm to Geauxldilocks
More and more have though, they are just far behind the curve, and many don't have the people that can properly keep an eye on future years to make sure everything stays balanced.
A few that have tried in the past, like the Panthers and Cowboys, have then had to have HARD reset years within 5ish years of attempting it because they didn't balance things properly. Meanwhile we have been doing it for about 20 years without missing a beat.
Every year people say this is the year it will catch up to us, and no way we can get under from $50 mil over, but all of this is literally planned out years in advance to make sure everything runs smoothly and each year we can get to AT LEAST $20 mil under if we choose.
A few that have tried in the past, like the Panthers and Cowboys, have then had to have HARD reset years within 5ish years of attempting it because they didn't balance things properly. Meanwhile we have been doing it for about 20 years without missing a beat.
Every year people say this is the year it will catch up to us, and no way we can get under from $50 mil over, but all of this is literally planned out years in advance to make sure everything runs smoothly and each year we can get to AT LEAST $20 mil under if we choose.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:42 pm to bonethug0180
We’ve been kicked in the arse by a few players who fell off a cliff or had injury issues. Carr’s contract dealings are the least of our issues over past 5 years
Posted on 3/9/25 at 5:46 pm to Chad504boy
I mean Ram to a degree, Byrd fricked us from the start, and others in there, but none to a degree that messed the cap up where we couldn't get under nor where we couldn't get FAs.
But it's not the kicking of the can that screwed us, because guys like that are signing for big guarantees anyway. We actually would have been fricked if we didn't intricately know all the ways we can navigate things like that and keep signing new players and retaining old players we wanted.
But it's not the kicking of the can that screwed us, because guys like that are signing for big guarantees anyway. We actually would have been fricked if we didn't intricately know all the ways we can navigate things like that and keep signing new players and retaining old players we wanted.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:04 pm to RawDog7984
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This couldn’t be further from the truth. They couldn’t cut carr. We didn’t have the money to ear his dead money and find a reasonable way to get under the cap.
Agreed. Would have been difficult.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:05 pm to bonethug0180
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I think people are misunderstanding, because we ABSOLUTELY could have easily gotten under without touching Carr, though it would have meant very little room for FAs after signing our draft class.
It would have been a huge stretch to pull off.
Unlikely, and wouldve required aton or restructures as opposed to one big one.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:14 pm to Chad504boy
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We’ve been kicked in the arse by a few players who fell off a cliff or had injury issues. Carr’s contract dealings are the least of our issues over past 5 years
To be fair Carr’s injuries have hurt us badly.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:51 pm to P bean
Yes, but the point was that if we REALLY wanted to move on from Carr, or not affect future cap but still keep him, we could have done either instead of what we did.
The main take away from that is that we didn't consider the option to get rid of him being better than the option to keep him, and moving more cap for him into next year to do so likely means we also plan to keep him next year as well (barring things going really wrong or lucking into a franchise qb in the draft).
And if Carr truly wanted to leave he could have easily been far more vocal in that desire, so I really think a lot of that talking head bs is just that.
We are intent on keeping Carr and Carr is intent on being here. Does that mean things will work out? Who knows, but it does mean both sides are going to give it a try (because if we really thought he wanted out we could have cut him).
The main take away from that is that we didn't consider the option to get rid of him being better than the option to keep him, and moving more cap for him into next year to do so likely means we also plan to keep him next year as well (barring things going really wrong or lucking into a franchise qb in the draft).
And if Carr truly wanted to leave he could have easily been far more vocal in that desire, so I really think a lot of that talking head bs is just that.
We are intent on keeping Carr and Carr is intent on being here. Does that mean things will work out? Who knows, but it does mean both sides are going to give it a try (because if we really thought he wanted out we could have cut him).
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:54 pm to bonethug0180
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More and more have though, they are just far behind the curve, and many don't have the people that can properly keep an eye on future years to make sure everything stays balanced.
If only they had Loomis these franchises would be better off. We are truly blesssd to have him and a benevolent owner who can look beyond the results.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 6:58 pm to bonethug0180
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. We actually would have been fricked if we didn't intricately know all the ways we can navigate things like that and keep signing new players and retaining old players we wanted.
5-12 in the worst division in football with the worst cap isn’t fricked? The delusion here is comical.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:08 pm to Geauxldilocks
We don't have the worst cap situation. If ignorant people actual understood how it works and the fact that we intentionally are borrowing from next year's cap each year, and have been doing this seamlessly for about 20 years without missing a beat, they would stop crying about it year after year thinking we are hamstrung or fricked by the cap.
Us being 5-12 was nothing to do with the cap situation. If you want to cry about bad draft picks and bad free agent pick ups, or how terrible our injury luck was once again, none of that has anything to do with the cap. That's a strawman that leads to nowhere.
Us being 5-12 was nothing to do with the cap situation. If you want to cry about bad draft picks and bad free agent pick ups, or how terrible our injury luck was once again, none of that has anything to do with the cap. That's a strawman that leads to nowhere.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:16 pm to bonethug0180
Seamlessly. Perhaps by design yes.
But is there no difference in a team with the most cap space bidding for FAs or having more room to re up drafties you value over the team thats 32nd?
But is there no difference in a team with the most cap space bidding for FAs or having more room to re up drafties you value over the team thats 32nd?
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:27 pm to bonethug0180
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Yes, but the point was that if we REALLY wanted to move on from Carr, or not affect future cap but still keep him, we could have done either instead of what we did.
Oh I agree. Clearly we didnt want to, but I dont think its a sign that we love Carr or arent still looking for the future. The Cousins/Pennix combo has created a new dynamic with qb rooms.
I just hope we dont think Rattler is the future and go draft our guy.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:32 pm to bonethug0180
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We don't have the worst cap situation. If ignorant people actual understood how it works and the fact that we intentionally are borrowing from next year's cap each year, and have been doing this seamlessly for about 20 years without missing a beat, they would stop crying about it year after year thinking we are hamstrung or fricked by the cap.
I’d love to hear who has the worst cap situation in the league. We are 30-38 since Brees retired, there has been nothing seamless since they. We aren’t hamstrung? What the frick are you even talking about? You have almost zero flexibility when it comes to signing any big ticket free agents, you cannot get rid of any of your overpriced assets without huge consequences, and you almost assuredly out on acquiring any good players via trade
Go to over the cap dot com, sort the roster by cap hit %, and keep trying to tell yourself that the cap isn’t the issue
2025 biggest cap hits
Derek Carr
Cam Jordan
Taysom Hill
Demario Davis
Ram
Ruiz
Granderson
Tyrann
Explain how these guys absorbing all of your cap isn’t a bad thing. Or explain how reworking their deals now makes them nearly impossible to get off of
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:34 pm to P bean
It would be stupid of us to not be looking. We went wrong when Payton didn't look hard enough for a replacement for Brees (our closest being when we almost drafted Mahomes but never really tried again), although I guess the attempts at the end with Bridgewater and Winston weren't nothing.
But we should be looking every year at every angle for that next guy, even when we have that guy. We have seen qbs start off hot and then fall apart in a couple of years. You shouldn't ever be comfortable at that position.
But we should be looking every year at every angle for that next guy, even when we have that guy. We have seen qbs start off hot and then fall apart in a couple of years. You shouldn't ever be comfortable at that position.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:38 pm to GynoSandberg
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We are 30-38 since Brees retired, there has been nothing seamless since they. We aren’t hamstrung?
Ticket renewals must be in the shutter. Airline Dr is paying people to post again.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:39 pm to bonethug0180
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It would be stupid of us to not be looking.
Agreed. Thats why I hope we dont think Rattler is that guy and draft a qb high if we get the chance.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:41 pm to GynoSandberg
Because we have had years where those guys were on the cap for peanuts compared to their average salary, so in those years they were our cheap players.
Whatever free agents we sign this year will be our cheap players, and down the line it will average out, by then things have been shifted again to fit it all in, and before the end of it we usually dump them before they get that big payday and the average we actually wind up paying among all the years they were on the cap tends to be a few million lower than what their average at signing was going to be.
But people can keep ignoring the fact that most of these guys were signed SUPER cheap the first year and instead just bitch about the average leveling out at the end because they only see that one year at the end and not look at the whole of the contract.
But I don't expect people who consistently fail to grasp these concepts to ever truly understand how it works.
Whatever free agents we sign this year will be our cheap players, and down the line it will average out, by then things have been shifted again to fit it all in, and before the end of it we usually dump them before they get that big payday and the average we actually wind up paying among all the years they were on the cap tends to be a few million lower than what their average at signing was going to be.
But people can keep ignoring the fact that most of these guys were signed SUPER cheap the first year and instead just bitch about the average leveling out at the end because they only see that one year at the end and not look at the whole of the contract.
But I don't expect people who consistently fail to grasp these concepts to ever truly understand how it works.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:43 pm to P bean
If they are stupid enough to think Rattler might be the guy, then we are going to be in a very bad spot soon.
I'm not big on the qbs we could get in the draft this year, but that doesn't mean we still shouldn't consider it if things line up. But we should also look again next year, in all avenues, if we can't upgrade or look for a more long term solution.
I'm not big on the qbs we could get in the draft this year, but that doesn't mean we still shouldn't consider it if things line up. But we should also look again next year, in all avenues, if we can't upgrade or look for a more long term solution.
Posted on 3/9/25 at 7:52 pm to bonethug0180
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If ignorant people actual understood how it works
Listen dude, people understand how it works so quit thinking you’re the smartest fricking guy in the room. People are questioning the strategy in general because it’s clearly not affective, we have a very thin, aging roster that lacks talent that can’t even win this shitty division.
How are there people still defending this shite?
This post was edited on 3/9/25 at 8:04 pm
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