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re: Shough rated most accurate QB
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:15 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:15 am to GynoSandberg
Apparently last year doesn't count to some people 
Better numbers with a crappier team btw
Better numbers with a crappier team btw
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:21 am to GynoSandberg
quote:.
These numbers aren’t even close
They shouldn't be. 1 rookie was thrown to the wolves with no coaching, no direction, no line, no WRs, no RB in 2024.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:23 am to Fun Bunch
It’s confusing
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:25 am to suavecito80
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Better numbers with a crappier team btw
Lol. By the time rattler took over last year we were playing truck drivers on both lines. The team was far worse last year by the time rattler started
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:26 am to saintsfan1977
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They shouldn't be. 1 rookie was thrown to the wolves with no coaching, no direction, no line, no WRs, no RB in 2024.
What happened this year?
Rattler was a 5th round pick and played like one. He isn't any good.
I'm sorry that your eyes can't see that
Anyone that has watched any football, it should jump off the screen the difference in talent level between the two guys
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
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What happened this year?
He was comparing the first 5 games.
Rattler had 3 TDs in week 2 this year. It still wasn't enough to win. That's somehow his fault? He played good enough to win some games.
quote:I already know that Shough is better. He goes through his progressions where Rattler didn't. He'll only get better.
Anyone that has watched any football, it should jump off the screen the difference in talent level between the two guys
I'm only pointing out that a bad QB put this team into position to win multiple times this year. If Shough is superior why only 10 points vs the Falcons?
Shough is the starting QB of the Saints for the next few years barring injury. I'm not hoping rattler comes back in the game.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:48 am to Fun Bunch
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Rattler was a 5th round pick and played like one. He isn't any good.
He was middle of the pack and top 10 in several qb rankings this year before his two game blowup.
The team isnt any fricking good. Shough may have more talent and may end up being better but he hasn't blown the doors off what rattler was doing.
Im sorry your eyes cant see that, or maybe you forgot everyone pissed off at olave and juwan johnson for dropping and fumbling all the time, or ruiz playing like a turnstile 24/7 and Kamara playing like shite. And the defense playing like shite
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:08 am to Fun Bunch
Drake Maye first 5
Comp 122
Att 181
Comp% 67.4%
Yards 1,214
TD 9
INT 6
Y/A 6.7
AY/A 6.21
Rate 89
Wins 1
Losses 4
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:14 am to whatiknowsofar
You are going to die on this hill. You are in too deep of your bad opinion so you feel you have to Dave Portnoy yourself into quadrupling down.
Again, if you can't just look at Rattler and Shough on the field and see a drastic difference then I don't know what to tell you
It is so readily apparent to anyone with a modicum of football acumen that its almost laughable
The fact that this is 6 pages is bizarre
Again, if you can't just look at Rattler and Shough on the field and see a drastic difference then I don't know what to tell you
It is so readily apparent to anyone with a modicum of football acumen that its almost laughable
The fact that this is 6 pages is bizarre
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:19 am to whatiknowsofar
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It absolutely is. If there's a safety over the top (there was) olave sits down. Shough misread it.
The safety was not close to being able to help cover the top. It’s the reason why Shuck threw it deep. His read was to let Olave go make a play bc he saw one on one… so he let it fly.
The safety was on his heals and would not have got there in time. Look where he is at when the corner makes the pick
Olave had man coverage. On that play Olave has to realize that the safety is not going to make it there in time.
Olave should be conditioned by now to keep streaking and go make the play. It is the exact reason he is not a WR1.
That throw by Shuck was a veteran type read. If that’s Stafford and Adams, that is a big gain or a TD.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:22 am to GynoSandberg
All other BS put aside. I must admit….
This post by gyno ends this argument.
Shucks trajectory as of right now is pinging.
This post by gyno ends this argument.
Shucks trajectory as of right now is pinging.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:24 am to Lsujacket66
He's absolutely surprised me to the point i wonder why he wasn't starting earlier in the season.
Sitting at 5 right now take Caleb Downs and call it a day.
Sitting at 5 right now take Caleb Downs and call it a day.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:37 am to Byron Bojangles III
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He's absolutely surprised me to the point i wonder why he wasn't starting earlier in the season.
It seems readily apparent that Moore made the right call
Let him sit and learn and take it in and then start him for the softer part of the schedule
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:52 am to GynoSandberg
great fricking post. dude even wrote shite down. love the effort. 
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:52 am to Fun Bunch
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You are in too deep of your bad opinion so you feel you have to Dave Portnoy yourself into quadrupling down.
Whats bad about my opinion? Hes played marginally better than spencer and I want him to get better? Thats bad?
I have provided tons of tangible information supporting my argument and all I get is
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, if you can't just look at Rattler and Shough on the field and see a drastic difference then I don't know what to tell you
Show me the difference. And dont use bullshite things like eye test, command, poise, etc. Provide me with tangible statistical information that hes better than spencer outside of a team stat like wins and losses. No one has done it for 6 pages except for NIH's trying to lie his way through it.
quote:
is so readily apparent to anyone with a modicum of football acumen that its almost laughable
This is a causal fan take.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:53 am to Mouth
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The safety was on his heals and would not have got there in time. Look where he is at when the corner makes the pick
The safety was jogging and was still 5 yards within the dB that picked the ball. He stopped running when olave stopped running because that was his responsibility.
Its like you guys have no concept of what zone is
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 10:55 am
Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:59 am to whatiknowsofar
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Show me the difference.
If you can't see it, you can't be helped
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:01 am to Fun Bunch
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you can't see it, you can't be helped
There it is. I'm simply asking, yet no one can tell me or prove it
Just have a real discussion bunch. You're better than this bullshite.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:06 am to whatiknowsofar
The BIGGEST difference between the 2 is that Rattler is a one read QB who stares down his read the whole way, while Shough actually goes through his progression (though I wish he would get to his check down quicker at times, though he is already doing that better than Rattler ever did).
Another main difference is Rattler would put his eyes on the rush once he felt it, while Shough keeps his eyes down the field. He stands in there and takes a hit to deliver balls, while Rattler hasn't ever really done that.
Another main difference is Rattler would put his eyes on the rush once he felt it, while Shough keeps his eyes down the field. He stands in there and takes a hit to deliver balls, while Rattler hasn't ever really done that.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 11:07 am to whatiknowsofar
The real discussion is watching the games.
Rattler was not good. He is a backup. He cannot make the throws and does not see the field well enough. He is small, inaccurate, and has a weak arm by NFL standards.
Shough is big, tough, escapes pressure well, and has a MUCH bigger arm. He also throws a much more catchable ball than Rattler.
I'm not going to sit here and give you screenshots of plays or some shite. Anyone that watches should be able to see the difference. It is very weird that you are dying on this hill of a 1-13 (or whatever) 5th Round QB.
Whether Shough is the QB of the future is an entirely different argument than whether he is better than Rattler.
Rattler was not good. He is a backup. He cannot make the throws and does not see the field well enough. He is small, inaccurate, and has a weak arm by NFL standards.
Shough is big, tough, escapes pressure well, and has a MUCH bigger arm. He also throws a much more catchable ball than Rattler.
I'm not going to sit here and give you screenshots of plays or some shite. Anyone that watches should be able to see the difference. It is very weird that you are dying on this hill of a 1-13 (or whatever) 5th Round QB.
Whether Shough is the QB of the future is an entirely different argument than whether he is better than Rattler.
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