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Sean Payton : No reason Michael Thomas can't be the MVP

Posted on 11/25/19 at 7:58 am
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 7:58 am
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You've got to be having success he's been a big part of that.

Good interview from CSP. Pretty good interview from Mike Florio. Covers other aspects of the team.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 8:00 am to
Just have to get the narrative going.


It's going to be hard to overcome Lamar if he keeps up this play and they keep winning, the guy who people kept saying should have converted to a receiver (I was one of them). But if MT gets some votes, would be huge.
Posted by Lsujacket66
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:05 am to
Are any other mvp candidates having historically great years?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 10:14 am to
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It's going to be hard to overcome Lamar if he keeps up this play and they keep winning, the guy who people kept saying should have converted to a receiver (I was one of them). But if MT gets some votes, would be huge.


It's a shame, but Jackson is benefiting from low expectations more than anything else (though he has had a good year). Jackson is a different QB to evaluate because you have to factor in his running ability. He has 781 yards rushing (11th in NFL) and 6 TD's. Certainly that is impressive. But does that make up for relatively mundane passing stats?:

Pass Attempts: 26th
Completion %: 15th
Yards pg: 27th
Passing TD's: 7th
QB rating: 6th

Admittedly, when you factor in his running ability AND his team's record, I think there is a strong case for him being MVP. But I don't think it is so strong that he should be a runaway over a guy like Thomas who is having a record setting season at WR.

He is currently 25 receptions ahead of 2nd place. He's 171 yards ahead of 2nd place. His drop % is the highest among WR's, which is remarkable considering he's been targeted more than any other WR. Plus, you have to factor in the intagible that he has done all this playing 5.5 games with a backup QB and multiple games when he was the Saints only primary weapon.

Every defense in the league knows the Saints are throwing him the ball numerous times a game. They ALL make stopping him their #1 priority. Yet, no one can
Posted by jamal
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:46 am to
QBs get all the love. But Michael Thomas didn’t have his HOF QB for what? 5 games. And he still put up AMAZING numbers. MVP shouldn’t necessarily be the best player. Although MT13 is one of the best players this year. Without MT13 the Saints would be fricked. He’s clearly one of the most valuable players. And he has the stats to match.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 11:54 am to
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But does that make up for relatively mundane passing stats?


You were spot on with everything in your post. The reason Jackson is getting so much attention from the media is due to his splashy, highlight runs he seems to have every week. He isn't the greatest passer but his improvement throwing the football from last season has been night & day. Thomas deserves to be right up there with Jackson. We just have to wait & see if this catches on over the last few weeks of the regular season.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:28 pm to
Florio is a sky screamer with bad TDS it’s very sad
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 2:54 pm to
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Who Cares About History? Michael Thomas Belongs in the MVP Conversation




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After the Saints’ 11th game of the year, after Michael Thomas somehow had crossed the 100-catch and 1,200-yard thresholds for the season already and after New Orleans moved to 9–2, I had a question for this full-fledged superstar.
Did the 26-year-old know who was the last player at his position to win NFL MVP? 
He paused for a second.

“Nope, no receiver has,” he answered.



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Should one in his circumstances be considered?

“You tell me,” he said, laughing. “Should I be considered?”

A couple days ago, Saints coach Sean Payton went on Pro Football Talk’s podcast with Mike Florio and made the case that because Patriots receiver Julian Edelman won Super Bowl MVP last February, there’s no reason why a receiver shouldn’t be able to win the regular-season award. And while I don’t think it will happen in 2019, it’s hard to have a better case than Thomas does heading into the last month of the season.



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The numbers, of course, are all there. Just by hitting the marks he did Sunday, with five games to go, he became the fifth receiver in NFL history to reach 100 catches and 1,200 yards in three straight years. He’s on pace for 151 catches, which would break Marvin Harrison’s single-season record by eight grabs. And his current yardage total projects to 1,806 yards over 16 games, putting Calvin Johnson’s record of 1,964 within reach.

But there’s more than the numbers to think about here. There’s the fact that it’s happened despite Thomas losing future Hall of Fame quarterback Drew Brees for a month-and-a-half, and then there are moments like one in particular late Sunday after that set him apart. The Saints had blown multiple double-digit leads, and were tied with the Panthers at 31. Thirty-seven seconds remained in regulation, the ball was on the New Orleans 36, and it was third-and-six.

It didn’t take Tony Romo on the call to forecast where the Saints wanted to go with the ball. Everyone in the Superdome knew, from Panthers coach Ron Rivera, to the guy up in section 635. And Payton went to him anyway, and Brees too, which is about as strong a sign of confidence in a player that a coach and quarterback can show.

“My number was called,” Thomas said. “Game was on the line and my team needed to move the ball down the field. It was a crucial down and I feel like that's why they brought me here, to make plays like that. I take full responsibility to be able to execute and respond in a clutch situation for my teammates. I love them. I'm grateful for the opportunity to do that."

And do it, he would.




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