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re: Schefter Tweet on Nicks Leaving N.O.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:29 am to TigerPhan27
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:29 am to TigerPhan27
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Sec 621 Row 17?
Yep. That's me. The guy who rarely shows up except for playoffs b/c I live in Atlanta?
Couldn't even go to playoffs this year b/c my daughter was born like a week before the game. Only game I made was Indy this year.
Shoot me another one to that address and I'll check it today. I'll set up another addy b/c that one gets too much junk mail. I just use it b/c I didn't want people flooding my normal email with ticket requests or nonsense.
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Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:31 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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Only game I made was Indy this year.
YOU NEED TO COME TO GAMES MORE OFTEN!!! /caps
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:32 am to Chad504boy
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9 million a year is the starting block, then let the bidding begin.
He gone.
Dallas or bust.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:32 am to Chad504boy
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Yeah, we really aren't going to franchise drew if his deals not done. What the frick is wrong with the world these days.
I'm saying it would be a slap in Drew's face to franchise. If I'm Drew and they try to franchise me, I say screw you I'm not signing it. Period. I really don't think the front office is stupid enough to think they are going to franchise him so they can sign Colston and/or Nicks. Not happening.
ETA: In short, Colston and Nicks are worthless without Drew. Hell, the whole team is really
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:33 am to saintsfan92612
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YOU NEED TO COME TO GAMES MORE OFTEN!!!
I need more vacation time!!
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:34 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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but Bushrod was not even close to a pro-bowl tackle when they unloaded Brown
no, but no player is until they play and get selected. the coaches thought the guy was a good LT, so they rolled with him. they were right and he is a 2 time pro-bowl player. they didn't let Brown go so that they could go with an inferiour guy; that's silly. They thought Rodinbush was the better player and he was.
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Again, I understand but in this offense it's absolutely critical to have that pocket. Big Ben, Tebow, Rodgers, etc do well to run around and make plays out of the pocket. Drew is most effective and comfortable stepping up. Making plays out of the pocket isn't his strong suit. Guard > Tackle with this offense/QB IMO.
Pass rushers in this league mostly come from the edges, which is why tackles are most critical. The best guard in the league is not blocking Jared Allen. Payton, Brady, Rodgers (yes him) and all other QB's with pocket awareness step up into the pocket. That is fundamental football which is taught to them in HS.
I'm not arguing that the Saints don't value guards more than tackles, but I am saying that this is highly unlikely. If their scheme does center around guard play more than tackles, then they absolutely must resign Nicks. I'm going based off of standard football practice, and guards are one of the most replaceable positions on a team. This is why they are rarely drafted in the 1st round of drafts.
If we can sign him and make it work without mortgaging the rest of the team, then sign him. If not, let him go and draft his replacement.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:35 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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Shoot me another one to that address and I'll check it today
I just resent the original email
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:36 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I'm saying it would be a slap in Drew's face to franchise. If I'm Drew and they try to franchise me, I say screw you I'm not signing it. Period. I really don't think the front office is stupid enough to think they are going to franchise him so they can sign Colston and/or Nicks. Not happening.
You do understand that Peyton Manning had the franchise tag placed on him. As Tom Brady would have too had an extension not have been agreed upon.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:40 am to Chad504boy
quote:Pay your QB first and foremost. That's #1. If they can sign either Colston or Nicks, the other gets franchized.
Couple things here of my genius mind. You don't want to lose Nicks for nothing. You don't want to lose Nicks to help protect Drew and this offense. Moral of the story. Pay Nicks. Give him the highest contract ever for a guard. Blow your wad on your guards and bank on servicable OT's for the offense. Maybe a 6 yr 60 mill deal or if you want to pay him a 2 year 23 million deal and let him hit free agency again. Either way get it out the way. That way you franchise Drew, have a shade of leverage in negotiations for him to want something long term. Maybe have a prayer with colston but i don't think likely. You can't pay everyone.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:41 am to Chad504boy
I don't see Drew signing any franchise tag. He didn't call off negotiations to get franchised. Drew is probably too good of a dude to decline, but he should if they try to IMO. THE MOST important FA signing in the history of the Saints. Don't play games with a franchise tag. You really think some team won't cough up the cash and a first rounder in a hearbeat to sign Brees?
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:41 am to The Sad Banana
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Pay your QB first and foremost. That's #1. If they can sign either Colston or Nicks, the other gets franchized.
THIS x 1000
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:47 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I don't see Drew signing any franchise tag. He didn't call off negotiations to get franchised. Drew is probably too good of a dude to decline, but he should if they try to IMO. THE MOST important FA signing in the history of the Saints. Don't play games with a franchise tag. You really think some team won't cough up the cash and a first rounder in a hearbeat to sign Brees?
Seriously dude follow me. Franchising is just a protection for the organization so that 30 other NFL teams aren't calling up Drew's agent. Drew doesn't have to sign a franchise tag for us t franchise him and gain protection during negotiations. We aren't franchising him and calling off talks. You say like a team won't hesitate to cough up cash and a first as opposed to just coughing up straight cash if untagged. Either way drew could negotiate with teams with or without tag. Your interpretation is off base. I think Drew would be more insulted if he was not franchised.
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 11:51 am
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:48 am to The Sad Banana
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Pay your QB first and foremost. That's #1. If they can sign either Colston or Nicks, the other gets franchized.
I agree but Drew's deal is more complex and may need more time to finalize as opposed to a straight 10 mill a year deal that nicks might sign right now.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:53 am to Midget Death Squad
I guess you didn't see that special that played on either NFL network or ESPN.
Saints built their OLINE inside out. This has to do with the the height of Drew Brees.
I understand pass rushers are paid a premium but we have proved you don't need to spend big money on tackles. We line up a TE and a Back and chip that pass rushing specialist.
Pass rushing specialists that we played this year:
Clay Matthews, Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, Pierre-Paul, Umenyiora, Vanden Bosch, Avril, and Jared Allen --- All of them failed to record a sack against us.
Saints built their OLINE inside out. This has to do with the the height of Drew Brees.
I understand pass rushers are paid a premium but we have proved you don't need to spend big money on tackles. We line up a TE and a Back and chip that pass rushing specialist.
Pass rushing specialists that we played this year:
Clay Matthews, Dwight Freeney, Mario Williams, Pierre-Paul, Umenyiora, Vanden Bosch, Avril, and Jared Allen --- All of them failed to record a sack against us.
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:57 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I don't see Drew signing any franchise tag. He didn't call off negotiations to get franchised. Drew is probably too good of a dude to decline, but he should if they try to IMO. THE MOST important FA signing in the history of the Saints. Don't play games with a franchise tag. You really think some team won't cough up the cash and a first rounder in a hearbeat to sign Brees?
Drew isn't going to sign a franchise deal. He is going to sign the long term deal he and Loomis hammer out while the franchise tag protects the team from a bidding war
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:57 am to Chad504boy
Well...when you put it that way and make all kinds of sense then yeah
I thought you were saying franchise him and worry about a constract next year
I thought you were saying franchise him and worry about a constract next year
Posted on 1/17/12 at 12:17 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
I have a question for the people saying franchise him. Some posters on here are saying that Nicks tends to take plays off or something. Well, if we franchise him, do yall think he will be upset and start taking more plays off? Some players don't respond well to teams doing this to them. I'm not saying I'm against franchising him, it's just a legit question.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 12:18 pm to Hazelnut
I'd be more afraid of him taking plays off if he gets a long term contract then if he gets a one year contract...
Posted on 1/17/12 at 12:20 pm to Hazelnut
I'm in the camp that believes you pay your star guard and franchise QB, and let all the rest of the chips fall as they may.
Smith and Vilma may have to restructure or go.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 12:25 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
glad ya got that, tagging can be simply an interim move in the process. BTW there is the Exclusive Franchise Tag where no other team can offer anything.
If it came to not being able to keep Nicks or Colston (capwise) then hopefully a tag could be applied and get whatever the market might bear in trade.
One other thought on it- Most think Nicks has surpassed Evans in performance. They could trade Evans straight out and then have plenty of money for a Nicks deal.
If it came to not being able to keep Nicks or Colston (capwise) then hopefully a tag could be applied and get whatever the market might bear in trade.
One other thought on it- Most think Nicks has surpassed Evans in performance. They could trade Evans straight out and then have plenty of money for a Nicks deal.
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