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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In 2 years when Marcus Williams is dominating the centerfield as the best FS in football (while being only 28), we'll be cutting Maye and then eating $5-7M in cap space the following year, causing us to go into the bargain bin again and defer money, perpetuating the cycle.
I’m not sure why people aren’t taking your opinion on this more serious. Anyone who can speak in absolutes about player ability and roster construction 2 years into the future has some sort of special talent.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:29 pm to LooseCannon22282
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Cowboys- probably looking for a new coach next year
Kinda a side note to this thread, but I don't think McCarthy makes it this whole season. Tyran Smith (LT) going down likely seals his fate. Cowboys plan to replace the Smith th with the rookie most penalized LT in college football last year. Adding a rookie LT who is penalty prone onto the most penalized team in the NFL is a recipe for disaster.
I think Dak gets hurt early from a blindside hit and Cowboys are squarely in the "lets hire Sean Payton" process by mid season.
At least if that goes down Saints will be getting picks from that deal.
Long story short, the Eagles will win the East this year and we just gave them another good piece to make it happen.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:30 pm to PoppaD
We have a 5th for kwon if I remember correctly
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:30 pm to RB10
yes. In SFPs mind, MW will be in his prime at 28, but TM is aging and in decline at 29.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
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but TM is aging and in decline at 29.
He's 30?
And Williams will past his peak by 28 most likely, but still in his prime. The point is that's years away. Where will Maye be? And more importantly, what will we do with his building dead cap space?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:33 pm to Vacherie Saint
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yes. In SFPs mind, MW will be in his prime at 28, but TM is aging and in decline at 29.
shite, he’s apparently been in decline since he was 24, despite being considered top tier for several years. Didn’t he land on the top 100 player list this year?
Dudes in full nuclear meltdown right now.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:36 pm to RB10
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he’s apparently been in decline since he was 24
Not what I even said
Good job stealing Max's swipe, though
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
ok, he just turned 30. You win
What about Poyer, McCourtney, Simmons, Ward, etc.. All pushing 30 or older. Are they all arse too?
It doesnt matter. They will address the position when they need to address the position. MW is irrelevant to the Saints now. They opted not to overpay for him. You are going to have to eventually let it go.
What about Poyer, McCourtney, Simmons, Ward, etc.. All pushing 30 or older. Are they all arse too?
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And Williams will past his peak by 28 most likely, but still in his prime. The point is that's years away. Where will Maye be? And more importantly, what will we do with his building dead cap space?
It doesnt matter. They will address the position when they need to address the position. MW is irrelevant to the Saints now. They opted not to overpay for him. You are going to have to eventually let it go.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not what I even said
No. What you’ve said is Marcus Williams will be the best safety in the league at 29 (yes in 3 years he will turn 29 before the season), but Tyrann Mathieu, who just turned 30 and is still highly regarded throughout the NFL, is past his prime and barely mediocre.
You’ve gone full retard.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:42 pm to Vacherie Saint
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It doesnt matter. T
It does matter.
That's the whole point. fricking up our cap in 2022 by making stupid decisions like signing Hill and Jenkins to big deals is what's causing this. We will be dealing with the Maye signing (and the inevitable restructuring) down the road as a secondary effect of these bad initial deals.
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MW is irrelevant to the Saints now.
Only because we bungled our cap situation years ago.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:42 pm to RB10
He's reaching to make the case that TM7 is "declining" and he's completely ignoring that most of the consensus top safeties in the NFL are between the ages of 28-34.
The MW affair broke him.
The MW affair broke him.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:45 pm to RB10
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What you’ve said is Marcus Williams will be the best safety in the league at 29 (yes in 3 years he will turn 29 before the season), but Tyrann Mathieu, who just turned 30 and is still highly regarded throughout the NFL, is past his prime and barely mediocre.
I've been comparing Williams to Maye because Maye was the replacement for Williams.
You have to compare Mathieu to CGJ's projection which is much more difficult b/c CGJ doesn't have the elite play MW did while in Nola.
But, more importantly, that comparison is only apt when you're comparing the older guys at 29-31 and 30-32. You're ignoring the production/play of MW from now until 29 when trying to force that comparison.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:45 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He's reaching to make the case that TM7 is "declining" and he's completely ignoring that most of the consensus top safeties in the NFL are between the ages of 28-34.
The MW affair broke him.
I'm pretty sure I've only directly compared MW to MM
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:46 pm to tigersquad89
What in the actual F?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It does matter.
No it really doesnt matter.
Decisions made with regard to other players like Hill and Jenkins arent resolved by making Marcus Williams the richest safety in football. We, like any other NFL team, have to manage the cap in a dynamic environment full of unexpected challenges. Thats just the way it is.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You have to compare Mathieu to CGJ's projection which is much more difficult b/c CGJ doesn't have the elite play MW did while in Nola.
Mathieu has been better than Gardner-Johnson, as a safety. That’s what he was signed as and what CGJ wants to be paid as.
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But, more importantly, that comparison is only apt when you're comparing the older guys at 29-31 and 30-32. You're ignoring the production/play of MW from now until 29 when trying to force that comparison.
Yes, I am choosing to ignore what you believe Marcus Williams will be. He would hardly be the first player to not live up to the bag he got, if that were to happen.
Your belief that he’s great doesn’t make it so.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm pretty sure I've only directly compared MW to MM
so you didnt say TM was in decline then try to prove it with asinine PFF metrics? Odd. It must be me.
But I'll play.... Are you really going to sit here and argue that MM, in terms of production per dollars spent, is not a massive value compared to what it would have taken to retain MW?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:51 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Decisions made with regard to other players like Hill and Jenkins arent resolved by making Marcus Williams the richest safety in football.
If we didn't have to deal with the cap hits of Hill/Jenkins, then Williams would be on our team moving forward.
Also, Williams is barely in the top 10 in safety AAV, just ahead of Quandre Diggs
Derwin James's new deal is over 33% larger than Williams'
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:54 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Decisions made with regard to other players like Hill and Jenkins arent resolved by making Marcus Williams the richest safety in football. We, like any other NFL team, have to manage the cap in a dynamic environment full of unexpected challenges. Thats just the way it is.
Sign Williams and they’re paying him more than Maye and Mathieu combined. Does anyone believe, given how this has played out, that CGJ would have been okay with that and played this season without an extension? That seems unlikely.
They probably have an overpaid FS, no SS and still no CGJ had that happened.
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