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re: Saints "not planning reset", will be more active in FA than last year
Posted on 2/27/25 at 7:51 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 2/27/25 at 7:51 am to Chad504boy
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Not trying to be the dick but it’s clear that’s not what Kellen Moore wants. So…
Or mickey sat down and explained to him how hard it would be to get under the cap.
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Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:06 am to Chad504boy
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Tanking and resetting cap a little quicker guarantees nothing no matter how much you want to type words like it does.
It guarantees cap space and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful if you make quality moves. The Saints are operating with a significant handicap. And, it has put itself into a position where the removal of the handicap is at least a 2 year effort.
If the process doesn't start this year, then that 2 year effort is pushed down the road another year...and likely moves to a 3 year effort.
I think a lot of Saints fans simply aren't forward thinking. They don't understand.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:08 am to moneyg
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It guarantees cap space and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful if you make quality moves. The Saints are operating with a significant handicap. And, it has put itself into a position where the removal of the handicap is at least a 2 year effort.
I'm really not sure how anyone couldn't see this.
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If the process doesn't start this year, then that 2 year effort is pushed down the road another year...and likely moves to a 3 year effort.
Well I have news for you. Loomis has no intention of changing his ways, he has made that very clear.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:11 am to moneyg
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It guarantees cap space and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful if you make quality moves. The Saints are operating with a significant handicap. And, it has put itself into a position where the removal of the handicap is at least a 2 year effort.
If the process doesn't start this year, then that 2 year effort is pushed down the road another year...and likely moves to a 3 year effort.
I think a lot of Saints fans simply aren't forward thinking. They don't understand.
it always guarantees you nothing.
what we do want to guarantee is a coach that is upper echeleon and can create a winning culture inside the organization sooner than later
playing the theory of, we want to hire a brilliant coach, we want to go 6-34 for 2 years, then we want to win a super bowl in 2 years is just a pie in the sky lets type good shite in a paragraph type responses. Moore is wanting to establish a winning culture vibe in new orleans. we have to string along a non idea cap situation for another year or two while we are getting by and rebuilding for the future.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:24 am to Chad504boy
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it always guarantees you nothing.
it guarantees opportunity. Right now, our opportunity is limited significantly because of our cap situation.
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what we do want to guarantee is a coach that is upper echeleon and can create a winning culture inside the organization sooner than later
To apply your retarded logic, that's isn't a guarantee. In fact, it's much more unlikely than likely. If you want to give Moore the best chance to succeed, you set up a multi year plan that gives him a chance of acquiring young quality talent with a year 3 cap situation that gives flexibility.
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playing the theory of, we want to hire a brilliant coach, we want to go 6-34 for 2 years, then we want to win a super bowl in 2 years is just a pie in the sky lets type good shite
Year 3 is when it starts. We aren't winning in year 3. We start being able to compete then.
You don't understand the situation we are in. You just don't get it.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
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Well I have news for you. Loomis has no intention of changing his ways, he has made that very clear.
I understand and actually predicted it. People got very angry when I made the point that this coaching hire didn't matter because he would have almost zero chance of succeeding.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:28 am to Chad504boy
It guarantees you have less money than other teams to resign your good draft pics and bid in the market for FAs when your 33nd in cap space out of 32 teams.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:30 am to moneyg
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I understand and actually predicted it. People got very angry when I made the point that this coaching hire didn't matter because he would have almost zero chance of succeeding.
I think that is a little far. We don't know what the future holds, and sometimes coaches transcend. I love what Moore is doing staff wise.
He will be fighting with one hand tied behind his back (at least), but I'm never going to say its not going to succeed because we don't know.
You never even know if Loomis will be here a year or two from now. I'm fairly confident he will be, but you just can't know.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:31 am to moneyg
i fully get it.
i'm just taking a more reasonable approach to understanding that nfl teams just really don't go out there way to long term tank. Its not a guarantee of shite.
we have some cap restraints. i know. but, they still line up and play football. our biggest obstacles have been health and injuries over past 4 years DESPITE not having ideal coaching and DESPITE having an aging roster.
i am choosing not to be a complete miserable hyperbolic fricktard and allow a process that is being collaborated with kellen moore and an entire new coaching staff to play out.
i am trying to skew a lot of posters i enjoy a bit more to the positivity spectrum just slightly than where a lot of emotion is currently at.
i understand everything. despite my polarizing personality, i'm not some fricktard that isn't aware of what's going on etc or understand any sort of big picture.
tbh, i don't think we are able to hire kellen moore if kellen knew mickey had no real plans to put a winning product on the field over next couple years even with an 8 yr guaranteed contract. That's not what coaches want. Coaches want to build up and forward, not backwards and down.
i'm just taking a more reasonable approach to understanding that nfl teams just really don't go out there way to long term tank. Its not a guarantee of shite.
we have some cap restraints. i know. but, they still line up and play football. our biggest obstacles have been health and injuries over past 4 years DESPITE not having ideal coaching and DESPITE having an aging roster.
i am choosing not to be a complete miserable hyperbolic fricktard and allow a process that is being collaborated with kellen moore and an entire new coaching staff to play out.
i am trying to skew a lot of posters i enjoy a bit more to the positivity spectrum just slightly than where a lot of emotion is currently at.
i understand everything. despite my polarizing personality, i'm not some fricktard that isn't aware of what's going on etc or understand any sort of big picture.
tbh, i don't think we are able to hire kellen moore if kellen knew mickey had no real plans to put a winning product on the field over next couple years even with an 8 yr guaranteed contract. That's not what coaches want. Coaches want to build up and forward, not backwards and down.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:31 am to Fun Bunch
The cap will be in significantly better shape next season. Most haven’t been paying attention, but the saints have been cap conscious the last few years, certainly on the fringes.
David Onyematta has a $17mm cap hit for the falcons this year. Saunders and Shepherd are $10mm combined. Little moves like this add up.
David Onyematta has a $17mm cap hit for the falcons this year. Saunders and Shepherd are $10mm combined. Little moves like this add up.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:44 am to Chad504boy
Would have liked to hear the not rated version between Loomis and Moore about the future of the cap, drafting and roster management. Now it's all coach GM speech lol.
Loomis went with a young buck not an experienced old bull. I see ya working Mick. Things will start to shake out as we are entering that phase we Saints call "extending contracts".
Loomis went with a young buck not an experienced old bull. I see ya working Mick. Things will start to shake out as we are entering that phase we Saints call "extending contracts".
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:49 am to DBG
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The cap will be in significantly better shape next season.
I hope so. In reality we won’t know until can kicking season is over. If we largely take our medicine then we should be in good shape. Focus on the draft and don’t give out any long term or large deals.
If we push more than we need to for the sake of short term winning then it won’t look as rosy as the future numbers have shown.
Just a waiting game at this point.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:57 am to St Augustine
We’ll have to eat into some of the 2026 cap, but that was the case whether we kept Carr or not.
Correct
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If we push more than we need to for the sake of short term winning then it won’t look as rosy as the future numbers have shown.
Correct
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:01 am to DBG
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The cap will be in significantly better shape next season.
Reading the article
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Instead, we’ll project that the Saints work out a pay cut with Jordan,
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:04 am to DBG
Yeah I think that’s what a lot of us mean by “tanking” “gut” or “blow it up” and part of the big disconnect between fans right now.
Just stop with the pushing of shite into the future, you’re likely going to bottom out in the process but at least you’re moving towards the ability to have REAL flexibility again as an organization.
Bottoming out may mean winning 2-3 games or it may mean 5-6. But don’t mortgage the future to have a ceiling of 8-9 wins for a year or two before the hole just gets crazy deep again.
Just stop with the pushing of shite into the future, you’re likely going to bottom out in the process but at least you’re moving towards the ability to have REAL flexibility again as an organization.
Bottoming out may mean winning 2-3 games or it may mean 5-6. But don’t mortgage the future to have a ceiling of 8-9 wins for a year or two before the hole just gets crazy deep again.
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:04 am to DBG
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The cap will be in significantly better shape next season
We will see.
We are about to see immense cap manipulation so there's no way to know what next year looks like yet.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:06 am to St Augustine
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Just stop with the pushing of shite into the future, you’re likely going to bottom out in the process but at least you’re moving towards the ability to have REAL flexibility again as an organization.
Even in the article I just lit $9 on fire to read, it presumes guys taking pay cuts and filling out a huge chunk of our roster with min salary guys
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Saints and his agent are talking now. I suspect it’ll get done.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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it presumes guys taking pay cuts
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Even in the article I just lit $9 on fire to read, it presumes guys taking pay cuts and filling out a huge chunk of our roster with min salary guys
Jordan and Hill taking pay cuts. And isn’t that what everyone wants, a bunch of bad players? That’s how you tank in the NFL. What’s the problem?
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