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re: Saints may have to make a trade to upgrade at LG

Posted on 3/16/25 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 4:47 pm to
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Akiem Hicks did not sit the bench like Baun.


They had him playing at end instead of the interior. I just remember him not being happy with whatever they were doing with him.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
4136 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:03 pm to
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Just because they don’t pick up his option doesn’t mean you cant resign him? What the down side to to that? Oh he plays really well and you coach him up and you have to extend him earlier


If he blows up and that’s a big if, we won’t have the cap to keep the offers he’ll get. Based on what he’s done thus far you can’t pick up the 5th year. Much closer to Payton Turner performance.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:43 pm to
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love when a Penning truther clutches their pearls when it’s suggested he move positions, like we’re above moving out turnstile RT to somewhere he could find more success at. Him playing guard and being able to fill at tackle only increases his value


I'm not a penning truther

I just don't see him being a very good guard. That's just my opinion.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31364 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:46 pm to
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Do you have the time to see if he will get better? It’s been 3 seasons. You have until May 2nd to decide if you’ll pick up his 5th year option at about $17 mil. That’s a no, the good tackles of this free agent cycle are getting that as their AAV

Tbh the best move with Penning is probably to seek out an extension with him. At worst he’s tackle depth. Try him and guard and you could end up with a great value contract - starting guard who can also play tackle
In a pinch


So you called him a turnstile but now want to work out an extension with him. On top of that you want to give him an extension not even knowing if you will play him at guard of tackle.

Then you say at worst he will be depth. You really want to give him a contract after typing all that?
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31364 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 6:49 pm to
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Obviously he was in DAllen’s dog house. I wouldnt blame a position coach for that.

Yeah DA fricked that up, no debate on that.


He wasn't in Allen's doghouse

They just thought the 2 players in front of him were better. It also seemed to be that he could only get snaps at Sam which is a dying position.

Coaches make mistakes all the time. They aren't infallible.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 7:18 pm to
You aren’t following Cdub. What do you think an extension for him would look like today?

You extend him at the cost of a low end starting tackle. If you draft a RT (rookie contract), he becomes depth there at tackle. If you decide to try him at guard and he’s sticks there, you get a value on the contract, and he can still backup at tackle if need be.

It’s not that complicated.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:22 pm to
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They had him playing at end instead of the interior. I just remember him not being happy with whatever they were doing with him.


No comparison Hicks played a ton of meaningful snaps and made a lot of plays.

He got paid more than we could afford.

Baun got zero PT. Special teams mostly.

Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:25 pm to
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He wasn't in Allen's doghouse


Naw. Allen was a numbnuts on a power trip. Several plyers saw the field more after he was canned.

Baun was already gone but 2024 was proof.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
4136 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 5:16 am to
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I just don't see him being a very good guard. That's just my opinion.


He wouldn't be. Penning at 6'7" guard would be so easy to get under. The Saints want nothing more than Penning to work out somewhere....if the solution was to move him inside it would've happened already.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73374 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 8:08 am to
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Penning at 6'7" guard would be so easy to get under.


Kellen Moore just left the SB champs whose guards were 6’6” and 6’7”, Becton being the latter, who played tackle three seasons prior. Move was orchestrated by Eagle OL guru Jeff Stoutland, whose right hand man for the past 8 years is now on our staff. Perhaps the staff coming from the best OL group in the game will take a fresh look at our unit, and look for ways to maximize it

Posted by Borntoboogy
Member since Jan 2023
775 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 8:29 am to
Probably through the draft.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124184 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 8:56 am to
I will continue to be perplexed that they didn't address the starters at OL this FA period or last year's FA period.

It feels like it should have been the 1st thing addressed.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73374 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:16 am to


The two deep really puts it in perspective

If this regime identifies OL like they did in Philly then they can clean this up pretty quickly. Sign a guard and find two OL in the draft
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
34789 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:34 am to
I haven't seen the big offensive tackle from Ohio State. Simmons really mocked all that much to the Saints.

Haven't heard any complaints about his play on the field but he is coming off an injury.
Posted by P bean
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Member since Dec 2006
4688 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:41 am to
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So you called him a turnstile


Calling Penning a turnstile. Naw. Lol.

He’s more like a athletic fridge who is easily a plus run blocker but is still learning how to balance being an overaggressive pass blocker/dropping into his sets.

He has flashed games where he dominated in pass blocking so the talent is there. These were games against some really good DE’s also.

He can easily find his balance and keep progressing. He is already a plus run blocker.

quote:

Trevor Penning among OTs in Week 10: 92.8 PFF grade (1st) 94.7 run-blocking grade (1st) 27 pass-blocking snaps 1 pressure allowed



LINK
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:14 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124184 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:46 am to
Man, that is rough. Its also why once we had guys go down we were so so so so bad.

The truly good teams have great depth that can survive injuries.

That is the problem with Loomis's approach. When you keep kicking the salary can AND you draft terribly, depth is sacrificed, and that is the case for us.

The Depth on the OL has got to get better.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73374 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:13 am to
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Calling Penning a turnstile. Naw. Lol.



He gave up the most pressures in the NFL. Lol

You are a Carr fanboy, you should know he cannot operate with guys in his face. First thing he sees every drop back is Penning getting beat and pressure coming
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124184 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:15 am to
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He gave up the most pressures in the NFL. Lol



I did not know this.

I thought he did reasonably ok at RT last year but guess that wasn't correct
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4688 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:27 am to
LINK /#

Youre quoting this article, titled:


Trevor Penning's teammates saw encouraging growth after move to right tackle

Lol.

Literally left out the point of the article, which supports his PFF grades, and also says:


quote:

Me personally, I think Trevor's one of the best run blocking tackles, like in the league. I think he's one of the best. I don't know the rankings but he's one of the best. Very athletic," Ruiz said.


quote:

He pointed to one example of Penning putting his rare athleticism to good use on a "sift block," a task usually given to a tight end that can be challenging for a 325-pounder like Penning: "It's crazy. We run an outside zone to the left, like a 19. Trevor has a sift to a safety. I cut off my 2i and I just look on film and Trevor's all the way on the left sideline hitting the safety. I'm like, 'What's going on? I don't know how he gets this energy but I love it.' He's a dog. He's really getting comfortable with that role. I'm proud of him."


And the part you cited:

quote:

Obviously Penning still has room to grow. He's still a work in progress in pass protection. Pro Football Focus charting found he allowed 54 pressures on 663 snaps on passing downs last year, the most among right tackles around the league. 11 of them came in a single game against the Green Bay Packers, but Penning was charged with giving up two or fewer pressures in nine other games. He showed more good than bad.


In short, try all you want you cant change it. Penning progressed aton and showed how good he can be as a RT.

His PFF grades show the same that he’s a plus run blocker, lower grade at pass block, but with clear signs that his pass block grade was tanked by a few bad games and he had some elite performance.


Im into facts not your opinions now shutup.

Regardless this is an offseason debate. Stfu already.

Im concerned with whether we would draft a guy in the first, looking at which guys could be drafted with a second or third.

Also one of these free agents in chalky’s list would be nice for a short deal.


This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:30 am
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4688 posts
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:30 am to
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I thought he did reasonably ok at RT last year but guess that wasn't correct


He did. There are more stats than that.

See above/below:

quote:

Obviously Penning still has room to grow. He's still a work in progress in pass protection. Pro Football Focus charting found he allowed 54 pressures on 663 snaps on passing downs last year, the most among right tackles around the league. 11 of them came in a single game against the Green Bay Packers, but Penning was charged with giving up two or fewer pressures in nine other games. He showed more good than bad.

This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:32 am
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