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re: Saints/Loomis/Payton accused of drug cover up-Shite just got real
Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:20 pm to jdrumdog
Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:20 pm to jdrumdog
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Don't need any of those people to have this have an effect on the team. Just ask Big Ben.
Put aside the truth for a second and just think of Public Relations.
If this stays relatively quiet like Grant's manslaughter case, then no problem. However the idea of the GM of the defending Super Bowl Champions covering for a "coach"(cause that's how the media will probably spin it) stealing drugs from the team, might blow up in the media.
If the media runs with the story, Loomis might be in for some trouble with the Commish.
Hopefully it's just all BS or worst case just a situation where they didn't want to see a guy get in trouble with the law so quietly let him go. If they doctored some logs or asked someone to do something illegal, that's a whole other deal. But I do find it very curious that this is coming out via a lawsuit.
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Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:37 pm to kclsufan
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But I do find it very curious that this is coming out via a lawsuit.
Not so, for me at least. For most people today, the incentive to do something based on morals is very small compared to the incentive to do something based on making money.
IF it is true, he may have thought his only option was the police, and who cares about that. BUT once a lawyer or someone else maybe whispered in his ear that he could make money off it, then that will trump morals every time.
Not saying the guy is speaking the truth, just that in this type of situation him not going to the police and trying to make a buck instead is something I could imagine
Posted on 4/30/10 at 11:55 pm to tigerguy121
He's a former FBI agent. I'm, sure he understands the value and importance of EVIDENCE. If he has evidence, the SAINTS could be in for some troubled waters. If he has no evidence, he should be countersued.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 12:27 am to Sid in Lakeshore
1.) Guy looks like a little douchebag.
2.) Judging by the suit, he's behaving like a whinning little bitch, too.
These things DO happen and it is not uncommon for them to be handled internally. They say "cover up" like it's some big scandal. If true, it sounds like the person in question was caught and dealt with by the team, but this frickwad is one of those former FBI types who wants to take everything to the nth degree.
2.) Judging by the suit, he's behaving like a whinning little bitch, too.
These things DO happen and it is not uncommon for them to be handled internally. They say "cover up" like it's some big scandal. If true, it sounds like the person in question was caught and dealt with by the team, but this frickwad is one of those former FBI types who wants to take everything to the nth degree.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 12:37 am to ffishstik
If this is true, then Loomis has to go (That's a big IF though). This is the type of shite that no company of any sort should have their GM doing, and I would be embarrassed as a Saint fan to have bullshite like this going on with my team.
Until the truth comes out for certain, I am going to keep supporting Loomis and this organization.
You sound like someone who has no clue.
Until the truth comes out for certain, I am going to keep supporting Loomis and this organization.
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ffishstik
You sound like someone who has no clue.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 12:51 am to jdrumdog
Bad for Loomis, not a chance, this guy is getting crushed in court. He has the funds to sue the Saints? wow. To file suit in La in Metairie of all places after we just won the Super Bowl will equal his destruction in court. I bet it will not make it to trial.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 12:56 am to ninthward
OK and ask yourself this, if the Saints own the drugs, which I am sure the team Dr buys for the team, then the drugs are the property of the Saints. So the Saints would then take internal records of usage. If a coach stole some and the Saints know then why would internal punishment not be warranted? Also do the Saints have to account for this guy's own agenda? why do the Saints have to disclose anything to this man? They dont. If it is internal, which it is and the Saints dont have to disclose then thats it.
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Posted on 5/1/10 at 6:57 am to eyeran
success breeds success and it also breeds contempt. Do the words loose cannon come to mind? 
Posted on 5/1/10 at 8:00 am to tigerbait3488
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First of all..Vicodin is not a narcotic
Hmmm. Are you sure you're not thinking of Soma? Soma is not a narcotic to my knowledge. Vicodin has hydrocodone in it.
This post was edited on 5/1/10 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/1/10 at 8:24 am to tigerbait3488
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First of all..Vicodin is not a narcotic
Incorrect, sir. It is indeed considered a narcotic because it contains hydrocodone. It is a scheduled drug.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 8:24 am to eddieray
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Hmmm. Are you sure you're not thinking of Soma? Soma is not a narcotic to my knowledge. Vicodin has hydrocodone in it.
Vicodin is Soma is not a narcotic. However, in the state of Louisiana (as of the beginning of the year) Soma is now on the controlled substance list.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 8:29 am to eyeran
I know it's sticky because the situation involves controlled/federally regulated substances, but I see no criminal issue. And I'm certainly not worried about some BS civil suit regarding wrongful termination. I think my ticket price increase alone will pay for the civil defense costs.
If your cousin steals one of your pain pills and you know about it, but don't report it, are you criminally liable under LA or federal law? I'd wager not, but I don't know.
The answer to this may lie in the Saints' legal status as owner of the controlled substance. I know that physicians and/or pharmacists have duties to report things of this nature...but what is the duty of an organization...?
If your cousin steals one of your pain pills and you know about it, but don't report it, are you criminally liable under LA or federal law? I'd wager not, but I don't know.
The answer to this may lie in the Saints' legal status as owner of the controlled substance. I know that physicians and/or pharmacists have duties to report things of this nature...but what is the duty of an organization...?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 9:31 am to Farva
If the Saints are culpable for reporting a drug theft to police, then so is this guy. This sounds like a money grab to me. His lawsuit is about harrassment which led to him resigning. The Saints reply suggests that he tried to extort money from them. Just like any of these things, there's probably a lot of other things going on here that won't make it to the public.
Regardless of the truth, I think this can do nothing but bad for the FO. They'll probably try to settle.
Regardless of the truth, I think this can do nothing but bad for the FO. They'll probably try to settle.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 10:21 am to eyeran
ROGER GOODELL STRIPS SAINTS OF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP AND AWARDS 2010 SUPER BOWL TO THE COLTS.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 10:26 am to Cussian
I think people are making too big a deal of this (unless of course the culprit is a big name). It's an internal incident. If someone was stealing from the organization, wouldn't the FO be the one's to press charges? They didn't, so I don't see the big deal.
This is what it's all about. It's obviously a money grab. They will settle out of court, which sucks somewhat, but I don't think we will hear much from it.
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His lawsuit is about harrassment which led to him resigning
This is what it's all about. It's obviously a money grab. They will settle out of court, which sucks somewhat, but I don't think we will hear much from it.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 11:11 am to rintintin
Vicodin is a controlled substance...not a narcotic. I work in pharmacy and its my job to know this. A narcotic is a schedule 2. Vicodin is a schedule 3 controlled substance. Soma was not sonsidered a controlled until last year. So to the people who want me to know the facts...get a fricking clue.
Posted on 5/1/10 at 11:16 am to tigerbait3488
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Vicodin is a controlled substance...not a narcotic. I work in pharmacy and its my job to know this. A narcotic is a schedule 2. Vicodin is a schedule 3 controlled substance. Soma was not sonsidered a controlled until last year. So to the people who want me to know the facts...get a fricking clue.
So given all this, what possible wrongdoing could there be on the Saints part if the substance in question was Vicodin?
Posted on 5/1/10 at 11:22 am to kclsufan
We would need more information on the dispensing of the controlled substance. There are some bad doctors out there writing rx's for loads amount of money. I am sure the Saints staff have there own internal doctors and it would surprise me if they are one of these dr's. I do not believe nothing will come of this except a internal investigation.
This post was edited on 5/1/10 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/1/10 at 11:49 am to eyeran
Unfortunatley this isn't a hoax. I wish I could say it was. There is video evidence, and it shows two of the coaches taking vicodin out of the teams medical cabinet that is supposed to only be accesed by team doctors.
There is another legal proceeding brewing, since about the start of last season. I have been praying it would just go away. I hope I am wrong but I think things are going to get somewhat ugly in the future.
There is another legal proceeding brewing, since about the start of last season. I have been praying it would just go away. I hope I am wrong but I think things are going to get somewhat ugly in the future.
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