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re: Saints expected to restructure Carr
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:22 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So we are celebrating 9-8 and missing the playoffs? And what exactly is the upside here?
If you knew anything you would know that teams that go 9-8 have done fairly well the next season. Ask the ones that went 9-8 last year, like the Lions and the Dolphins.
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You are a very 2 dimensional “thinker”.
No Im a factual thinker. Like the Saints being 7th overall in wins since 2000, one of only 13 to win championship since 2000, etc.
Youre just a pussy fan who cant control his bleeding vagina if we dont win a championship year in year out, as if that ever happens in sports. Teams lose - no one wins constantly. The best teams may win a few championships IF theyre lucky.
Now shut the frick and accept how sports work.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 12:25 pm
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:45 pm to Chad504boy
Don’t think anybody’s all in on Carr, except you, , Mickey, DA, and a couple of others
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:49 pm to paulbeasy
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Actually its not, its been constantly about Loomis and the Saints Front Office, and pussies like yourself melting, and saying shite like “kicking the can down the road” and “when are we going to hire an OC” and “I give up on the Saints FOffice” blah blah blah.
I haven't really commented on the OC search other than being down on it because we'd either stay with the same system that isn't working, or upgrade to a better system with a QB who isn't mentally sharp and takes a long time to learn offenses (and has failed when an offense was too complex for him in the past).
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Dont deflect and try to make it aboit SP/Brees
It's all about Brees and, namely, the post-Brees era.
You kick can when you have a window. We had that window with Brees (although were probably too optimistic the last year and should have cut him a year earlier). You stop kicking can when the window closes.
Our first year after Brees we had a QB with a very friendly deal and we could see what we had. Injuries derailed that season and we were still OK. I was even down kicking a little can while we ate the rest of Brees's dead cap....but we weren't any good again.
The problem came last offseason, when it was clear we were a mediocre team with a hard ceiling, and our front office refused to believe it and signed an over-priced, mediocre QB, pushing hundreds of millions of dollars onto future caps that were already fricked.
And then, we were mediocre again. Now our team is aging quickly with a bunch of old vets we can't dump, with absolutely fricked caps in 2024, 2025, and now 2026 (once we restructure this albatross of a contract), and we're about to deal maybe our best player.
We are in a terrible shape financially with a roster that can fall off a cliff and a defined ceiling of mediocrity. Please tell me why you're so emotionally invested in supporting that.
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The Saints ARE a winning franchise, with Loomis, etc. and have been for some time.
Actual facts - Saints have 7th most wins since 2000 and are one of only 13 teams to win a SBowl in that time frame.
We are talking about today and decisions affecting today.
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Now put your tampon in and shut the frick up you bleeding vagina.
Why are you so emotional about this?
We're discussing rationally judging strategy and decision-making and you're melting.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:50 pm to Chad504boy
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We’ve had 2 out of 3 winning seasons
We have not made the playoffs in any of them. Who gives a shite about "winning seasons" if you can't even make the playoffs?
That makes you mediocre. That's a terrible place in the NFL.
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You’re soft.
You support mediocrity.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 12:52 pm to paulbeasy
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If you knew anything you would know that teams that go 9-8 have done fairly well the next season.
Those teams had hope. Our roster and coaching do not present that option. We're in mediocrity.
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Ask the ones that went 9-8 last year, like the Lions and the Dolphins.
You're delusional
Posted on 2/3/24 at 1:14 pm to paulbeasy
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If you knew anything you would know that teams that go 9-8 have done fairly well the next season. Ask the ones that went 9-8 last year, like the Lions and the Dolphins.
And Jaguars and Seahawks went 9-8 last year, how did they do? How about the 2021 Saints for that matter.
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No Im a factual thinker. Like the Saints being 7th overall in wins since 2000, one of only 13 to win championship since 2000, etc.
Print the shirts!!! 7th in wins in an arbitrarily selected time period!!!
What does that have to do with the present and immediate future?
The Patriots had the greatest dynasty in NFL history in that time period does that mean they weren’t bad last year and getting rid of the coach responsible for the dynasty was a bad move?
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Youre just a pussy fan who cant control his bleeding vagina if we dont win a championship year in year ou
You are a very angry, insecure person but thanks for proving my point about being a 2-dimensional thinker.
I don’t expect to win the SB every year, what I want is to either be a legit contender like the Saints were from 2017-2020 or building to try and get back there. 9-8 and missing the playoffs 3 straight years and now saddled with a mediocre mid 30s QB is getting stuck in the mud.
This post was edited on 2/3/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/3/24 at 2:20 pm to Vieuc
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all in on Carr, except you,
I’m not all in on Carr but I understand that’s the path we have to support for another 1-2 years. Heaven forbid we try to make the best of life.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 2:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
Paul is putting on a show and if you don’t like it shut up pussy!
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:20 pm to Chad504boy
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I understand that’s the path we have to support for another 1-2 years.
If we restructure, it won't be 1-2 years.
Well probably have to commit to him for 3 more years min.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well probably have to commit to him for 3 more years min.
That’s the end of his contract. The restructure commits us for 2 more years dude. Jesus
Posted on 2/3/24 at 7:36 pm to Chad504boy
He signed a contract for 100 million guaranteed.
We paid him 7.2 million for last year.
That leaves around 93 mil we owe him.
Is this a debatable point?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:08 pm to Chad504boy
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. The restructure commits us for 2 more years dude. Jesus
His contract was for 4 years and we will likely have to extend him now if we restructure, because we won't have enough years and cap space to absorb the bonus money with all of our other cap issues.
It's not possible for this to be the reasonable 3/100 that was advertised if we restructure him.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and we will likely have to extend him now
Pulling shite out the arse.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:28 pm to Chad504boy
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Pulling shite out the arse.
Why would he agree to a restructure if it doesn’t add years and more money?
Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Why would he agree to a restructure if it doesn’t add years and more money?
What sfp is arguing is the saints exit of totally need be. We had a possible 2 yr out, restructure so now it’s more of a definitive 3 yr marriage minimum. Nothing is mandated yet past 3 years certainly not more than the 4 contract. And no I’m not discussing money on the books.
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:56 pm to Sauce Castieaux
Another lost decade. Awesome.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:53 am to Chad504boy
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Pulling shite out the arse.
Carr signed a 4/150 contract.
In 2023, Carr's cap hit was only $7.2M
That means the remaining 3 years have $142.8M to absorb (roughly). That's $47.6M/year impact on each year's cap.
Currently, his 2024 cap number is $35.7M, $30M of which is his base salary. If we restructure him, a huge portion of that base is going to be converted to signing bonus. Let's say we don't fully restructure (which we usually do) and only turn $25M of that salary into a signing bonus.
That would drop his 2024 cap hit to about 13.833M (The remaining $5M and the pro-rated 8.33M impact of the new signing bonus).
However, that pushes $8.33M onto 2025 and $8.33M onto 2026.
That means his 2025 cap hit becomes 54.03M and his 2026 cap hit becomes 64.033M
Explain to me how we fit those new cap numbers into those years. We are going to have to extend him to absorb just the 2024 salary can kick. This isn't even taking into account what insanity we have to do in 2025 when our dead cap may exceed $50M.
We had an out with a 3/100 deal IF we did not restructure.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are going to have to extend him
And? We don’t have a viable alternative QB on the roster and we won’t have one until, at minimum, the 2025 draft.
And that is IF we shite the bed this season, which isn’t going to happen.
Then you’re looking at drafting in 2026, rookie sits a year and maybe plays in the 2027 season.
Carr is the guy and whatever we need to do re: his contract to win is the best option
Posted on 2/4/24 at 7:59 am to Proximo
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Carr is the guy and whatever we need to do re: his contract to win is the best option
Carr is not good and not worth the cap hit.
The best option is to ensure we get out of his contract after 3 years to make a more rational decision at QB while our roster and cap implodes.
Restructuring/extending Carr just ensures that mediocrity is our ceiling for 3-4 years.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:34 am to H-Town Tiger
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The Patriots had the greatest dynasty in NFL history in that time period does that mean they weren’t bad last year and getting rid of the coach responsible for the dynasty was a bad move?
Bill is 71 years old. Completely different scenario.
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And Jaguars and Seahawks went 9-8 last year, how did they do?
Steelers made the playoffs you Goddamn IDIOT. LOL. Wow.
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