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bonethug0108
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
Nothing to be sorry about. Just pointing out that I noticed the same thing so while at first it seemed out the blue it clearly wasn't.


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Vlatket
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
It's clear the guy is done with football and needs to retire. Why are we on the hook? I'd make him play and if wants to be a dumbass and risk it, then go ahead


XCLSU
Member since Nov 2016
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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I don't think anyone was upset we resigned him. Just pure bad luck with the heart condition


That is exactly why I have an issue with the signing. How did the team doctor miss this before the contract is given? I obviously do not have an inside source, but its surprising that no one knew he had the condition after numerous physicals throughout his football career. It didn't just pop up randomly


htran90
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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That is exactly why I have an issue with the signing. How did the team doctor miss this before the contract is given? I obviously do not have an inside source, but its surprising that no one knew he had the condition after numerous physicals throughout his football career. It didn't just pop up randomly



They knew, it was a combine thing. They also did an exit/end of season physical which showed nothing. They also did one the year prior when they signed him and it all cleared.

From what it sounds like, it wasn't until his June checkup that team and their cards guy found something unusual which prompted him to go to his personal cardiologist and a 3rd cardiologist as well.



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Lester Earl
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they did their due diligence otherwise,


Oh, how do you know? Like the saints training staff has earned the benefit of the doubt

I can’t find the article but when this fairley stuff came out it was said an independent Dr uncovered this problem, not the saints team Drs. The one I read from the other day Day mentions Saints Drs but that is not what was reported at the time


htran90
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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Oh, how do you know? Like the saints training staff has earned the benefit of the doubt



When it comes to Ortho-business, yeah I can definitely not give them the benefit considering the recent issues (Breaux, Byrd, Spiller)

but this was more medically related and Amoss earned the benefit of the doubt.

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I can’t find the article but when this fairley stuff came out it was said an independent Dr uncovered this problem, not the saints team Drs. The one I read from the other day Day mentions Saints Drs but that is not what was reported at the time



There were two with conflicting reports last year, one that said his personal caught it when he went for his annual checkup, saints confirmed, and he sought a 3rd opinion. Another was Saints caught it on physical, he checked with his cardiologist who also looked, and then he sought a 3rd opinion.

There were 2 physicians who said its career ending and 1 who did not.

Either way, while I feel and agree that teams should perform the physical right before they sign a contract, its not uncommon practice in the NFL or professional sports to not have one done the same day.

The assumption is that the condition that wasn't found in January on his exit physicial, but was found in June would have been picked up in March. That isn't always the case either, he had a structural issue that was known, for it to suddenly become career ending points to an acute change or an new arrhythmia. Neither of which is a guarantee to show in March. Hell, might not have shown in May either.

We don't know the whole story, for all we know he might have been complaining of chest pain that day after working out and decided to get checked.


I've called for the medical and training staff's heads often the past 3 years when it came to Byrd, Spiller, and Breaux. A joint problem, degenerative hip, etc those are ortho issues compared to a cardiac issue. One is likely to be found at any point in time, the other is definitely not.
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bonethug0108
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Mar 2013
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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Byrd, Spiller, and Breaux.


Keenan Lewis was the worst case. They completely fricked his career to where he couldn't even play again.

Also those guys that check that stuff, as said, are not the same as the heart doctors. The heart doctors potentially saved two players lives.


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Lester Earl
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
As someone that has had a heart arrhythmia,

a physical is nothing like a thorough check up by a cardiologist. Given his condition coming out of college he should have been given an advanced checkup by a cardiologist before he was given money.

Maybe it just did “pop up”. Guy has a history of heart issues, more than likely it was pre existing. He signed in March and missed OTA’s in May. This was discovered sometime in between.
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shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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how do you not have a cardiologist screen a guy with heart problems before you give him $40mil dollars?

Do we know for a fact that they didn't and this one was something that would have shown at the time of the physical?



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shel311
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Good riddance

This guy


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shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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I'd make him play and if wants to be a dumbass and risk it, then go ahead
There's this thing called medical clearance.


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The Cool No 9
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Jan 2014
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
Godspeed Fairley and all the best


Mr. Wayne
LSU Fan
Oldtown
Member since Feb 2008
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
I just don't see how we don't get more salary cap relief from this. He isn't "injured" playing further could actually kill him. Seems like the NFL could pass rules calling for teams to pay players with situations like this but have it not count against the salary cap.


ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
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I just don't see how we don't get more salary cap relief from this. He isn't "injured" playing further could actually kill him. Seems like the NFL could pass rules calling for teams to pay players with situations like this but have it not count against the salary cap.



When is the last time the NFL did anything that made sense?


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LooseCannon22282
South Alabama Fan
Mobile, Al.
Member since May 2008
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re: Saints Cut Fairley
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And played 6 full years without it becoming an issue and has been monitored.


i know you are talking about the heart condition but he had other injuries that shortened his years with the Lions.

2014 is the main year I'm thinking about. He missed like half of the season and it had to be a big reason they let him walk and he signed with the Rams.

he did good in between his rookie and his last year with the Lions. Basically 2 below par years and 2 good ones. I remember thinking him and Suh were going to terrorize teams for years to come but that clearly did not work out.

Fairley was a good player but he was prone to some dumb penalties also. In the Chiefs game in 2016 he made a bad foul late in the game that helped keep the ball with the Chiefs and then they ran out the clock.

I honestly was nervous when he first signed with New Orleans cause he was close to home and he'd been in trouble early in his career (both incidents in hometown). But I guess he wised up and that stuff isn't an issue anymore. Hopefully he find a niche some where and he doesn't screw off and blow all of his money.

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