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re: Saints and Eagles trade draft picks
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:33 pm to Vlatket
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:33 pm to Vlatket
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Yeah if that was the case then they should have worked something for the #15 pick. What's keeping the Chargers from trading there.
If you go by the draft value chart, it would only take a 3rd to move up to 15. so strange
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Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:33 pm to lionward2014
Like your plan
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:33 pm to Vlatket
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Yeah if that was the case then they should have worked something for the #15 pick. What's keeping the Chargers from trading there.
Not just the Eagles double dipping but the Jets and especially Texans could probably both by talked into moving back their 2nd 1st rd to 17.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:33 pm to lionward2014
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If we are drafting in mid to late 20's next year it's a genius move.
No its not.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:35 pm to mattgr1983
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Win now trade when we definitely aren't contendors.
Absurd.
We were 1 win away from the playoffs in a season where we started a 3rd & 4th string QB for several games, were missing our best receiver all year, our best RB for a few games and both tackles for several games.
This defense is Super Bowl caliber, Winston with Thomas back and hopefully a solid #2, and no more ridiculous fluke injuries like last year, and we make a run.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:35 pm to Chadzilla
That is a hell of a lot to give up to take Corral
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:36 pm to mattgr1983
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This trade a month before the draft makes absolutely no sense
Why not? Price goes up when the board shakes out and multiple treats are vying for a guy
Our scouting department knows these guys and we are obviously have a plan with these picks
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:36 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Right
1) We got worse this offseason, maybe significantly worse, so it seems strange to make an all in move
People keep talking about how bad the rest of the division got, but ignoring that we are objectively worse also.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:37 pm to dcrews
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We were 1 win away from the playoffs in a season where we started a 3rd & 4th string QB for several games, were missing our best receiver all year, our best RB for a few games and both tackles for several games.
And then proceeded to lose the best HC in our history, and two probowl players, while making mostly "bargain" moves in FA.
We certainly didn't act like a team going "all-in" in Free Agency outside of the Watson interest. So why go all in Draft wise but not FA wise?
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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Why not? Price goes up when the board shakes out and multiple treats are vying for a guy
Our scouting department knows these guys and we are obviously have a plan with these picks
Worry about showing our hand too early like with Mahomes
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:37 pm to LSUZombie
quote:Not sure if those NFL Draft Value Charts mean anything but I was surprised to see that picks 16 & 19 have enough value on the chart to get into the top 4 or 5...does that sound realistic at all?
Well we have two 1st rounders now this year.
I'm not saying we would or that's why we did it, but it just got me curious.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:38 pm to GynoSandberg
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we are obviously have a plan with these picks
You would think.
Its just an odd move all around, and I hope it works out.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:38 pm to Fun Bunch
Reading through this thread is giving me Davenport trade argument PTSD 
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:38 pm to msstate7
quote:I hear you but that should be irrelevant to this trade.
Someone on other thread made a great point about trading Payton next year to recoup
That's not a reason to make what appears to be a bad deal. We could not make a bad deal AND trade Payton next year too, that seems even better.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:39 pm to shel311
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Not sure if those NFL Draft Value Charts mean anything but I was surprised to see that picks 16 & 19 have enough value on the chart to get into the top 4 or 5...does that sound realistic at all?
Generally speaking no. The value of top 6ish picks has absolutely gone insane the past few years. But those have been in QB-centric drafts, and this one is not that. So value may be suppressed.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:39 pm to hellsu
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So we gained extra first in a weak draft class
The only weak position in this draft class is the QB's. This is one of the best drafts for OL, WR and DL which we have a need for in all 3. I guess this means we are all in with Winston for the next 2 years.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:39 pm to northeasttiger
quote:It's not likely to be lower next year.
Agree. Technically a 2nd and 3rd for extra first this year and 1st next year likely worse than we got extra this year.
In fact, the opposite. It's likely to fall in the top 15 next year.
And if Winston gets hurt and shite goes off the rails, that pick could be much higher.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:40 pm to Not Cooper
We are only losing essentially a 2nd rounder in 2024. We swap this year for next year first and the 3rd is a compensatory pick. I’m not freaking out. This seems like a draft day pick if someone is sitting there that you like. It is a little head scratching that you do it in advance of the draft.
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:40 pm to shel311
That’s the most concerning part to me. Another injury to Winston, MT etc and it could be top 10 easily
Posted on 4/4/22 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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I think you are confused. The Saints traded 18 and moved up two spots to 16. They also acquired 19. They had to give up 18, a future 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd round pick to move up two spots and acquire a 2nd 1st.
We are saying the same thing
There’s no order of operations here, the trade involved a pick swap (for lack of a better word) between 18 and 19. Those two assets are near identical in value, so the trade is much easier to understand if you just ignore it and look at the rest of the trade. I’m not discounting that at all, the cost they paid to get the extra first this year is accounted for.
You’re saying the exact same thing as me, just in a more convoluted way
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