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re: Roster predictions
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:03 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:03 pm to bonethug0108
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but they were the leaders of the defense.
FIFY
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Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:05 pm to landrywasbeast30
They're not signing Reed over keeping Harper. Reed has a year, maybe two left and he is declining(did you see him missing tackles left and right last year?; not exactly an upgrade). He would be replacing Jenkins anyway.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:06 pm to Patrick O Rly
That's what I meant Patty!
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To keep Vilma and Smith would cost at least 840,000 a piece extra. Not bad if they agree to it, but I'm not seeing it.
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To keep Vilma and Smith would cost at least 840,000 a piece extra. Not bad if they agree to it, but I'm not seeing it.
This post was edited on 3/9/13 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:13 pm to bonethug0108
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Harper is $7 mil and a great scheme fit. So for only a million more you could have one great guy
Harper might be a great guy but not football player.
This post was edited on 3/9/13 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:13 pm to bonethug0108
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Next time read my posts and don't jump to conclusions
Next time quote what it is I said that you are responding to and I wouldn't have misunderstood what the hell you were talking about from the beginning. Either way, you have been posting mostly crap from what I can tell.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:21 pm to bonethug0108
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To keep Vilma and Smith would cost at least 840,000 a piece extra. Not bad if they agree to it, but I'm not seeing it
Wait, what happen to all this stuff you said about 2 or 3 mil more apiece to keep them? And since you felt the need to act like a smart a$$, let me point out that my point from the beginning was that not having to release both guys could keep other options open, like say if they found someone they liked better than Harper and wanted to release him.
And what is the difference in releasing Smith or Vilma to go with younger players, or releasing Harper to play Quddus, who was better than Harper last year? Cutting Harper would save the same about of money as cutting Vilma, and I'm sure Vilma is more interested in taking less money than Harper would be.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:24 pm to landrywasbeast30
So my previous numbers were wrong because I'm retarded. Here are the correct numbers from another thread:
I just found an up to date site and figured it out.
Will Smith is due $14,541,666 in 2013. If he were cut the only thing counting against the 2013 cap would be his prorated bonus of $4,391,666. That is a savings of $10,150,000.
Jonathan Vilma is due $8,632,500 in 2013. If cut, the only thing counting against the 2013 cap is his prorated bonus of $2,632,500. That is a savings of $6,000,00.
Togethe they will save the Saints $16,150,000.
Counting that towards the 1,097,680 they are currently over the cap, the Saints would have $15,052,320 going into FA.
These figures do not include the new contract for Junior Gallette.
I just found an up to date site and figured it out.
Will Smith is due $14,541,666 in 2013. If he were cut the only thing counting against the 2013 cap would be his prorated bonus of $4,391,666. That is a savings of $10,150,000.
Jonathan Vilma is due $8,632,500 in 2013. If cut, the only thing counting against the 2013 cap is his prorated bonus of $2,632,500. That is a savings of $6,000,00.
Togethe they will save the Saints $16,150,000.
Counting that towards the 1,097,680 they are currently over the cap, the Saints would have $15,052,320 going into FA.
These figures do not include the new contract for Junior Gallette.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:25 pm to landrywasbeast30
I was simply explaining a situation I have been seeing you misunderstand for weeks now regarding Vilma and Smith. You keep saying it would be cheaper to keep them and in no way is that true.
So because I am correcting your mistake I am posting crap? Well I guess crap in crap out applies here.
So because I am correcting your mistake I am posting crap? Well I guess crap in crap out applies here.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:28 pm to bonethug0108
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You wanting them to take vet minimum does not mean they will
Has nothing to do with what I want them to take, and I never said they would. All I'm talking about is what's best for the team, and what the options are. Seems like this is all about you just loving you some Roman Harper.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:31 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Wait, what happen to all this stuff you said about 2 or 3 mil more apiece to keep them? And since you felt the need to act like a smart a$$, let me point out that my point from the beginning was that not having to release both guys could keep other options open, like say if they found someone they liked better than Harper and wanted to release him.
And what is the difference in releasing Smith or Vilma to go with younger players, or releasing Harper to play Quddus, who was better than Harper last year? Cutting Harper would save the same about of money as cutting Vilma, and I'm sure Vilma is more interested in taking less money than Harper would be.
I was saying what if they are asking that much? Do you still keep them? It will still be a pay cut. I would have to say no.
And who on the market(in the box ss) is better than Harper at that role? Reed is a ball hawking fs.
IAQ also plays fs. Do you think Bush is a better in the box safety than Harper?
That's what this all comes down to. We already have replacements for Smith and Vilma, who are both poor fits for this scheme.
Do we have one for Harper? Please point him out if we do. Maybe we draft someone that later makes him expendable, but as of now he is not, even if he isn't worth as much as he's getting. This is why he is not getting cut.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:32 pm to Bduhon55
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Togethe they will save the Saints $16,150,000.
Counting that towards the 1,097,680 they are currently over the cap, the Saints would have $15,052,320 going into FA.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:34 pm to bonethug0108
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So because I am correcting your mistake I am posting crap? Well I guess crap in crap out applies here
I thought this before I even saw anything you posted in this thread.
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I was simply explaining a situation I have been seeing you misunderstand for weeks now regarding Vilma and Smith. You keep saying it would be cheaper to keep them and in no way is that true
I've been saying for weeks that there must be a reason the team is offering them a chance to stay rather than straight up release them. But apparently you have it all figured out and they just want them to stay because they are team leaders. They desperately need cap space, but they are trying to keep these 2 guys for emotional reasons.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:37 pm to landrywasbeast30
I love watching you two newbies duke it out...
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:42 pm to Bduhon55
I'm definitely the kid in the red. He looks like he is in control.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:43 pm to Bduhon55
Bonethug is like "frick you laundry bitch! I want my whites washed seperate!" and Laundry Bitch is like "Bone bone bone bone bone..."
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:43 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Bonethug is like "frick you laundry bitch! I want my whites washed seperate!" and Laundry Bitch is like "Bone bone bone bone bone..."
Posted on 3/9/13 at 7:49 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Patrick O Rly
Can I borrow the kids to help me scrap this fool if things get serious?
This post was edited on 3/9/13 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/9/13 at 8:07 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Has nothing to do with what I want them to take, and I never said they would. All I'm talking about is what's best for the team, and what the options are. Seems like this is all about you just loving you some Roman Harper.
In your opinion, which of the three fit this scheme the best?
To me, Vilma is clearly the worst fit. He is undersized which is very bad in a 3-4, but even worse in one in which the d-line are penetrators and not space eaters.
Payton laid out a scenario in which the weak guard would sometimes be covered allowing Vilma(who'd play wilb) to roam free, but what about when the guard is uncovered. Now we start talking about changing a scheme to fit an aging, injured player who is too small to play in a 3-4, especially this kind of 3-4.
Smith would fit better than Vilma, but he usually just uses a wide rush, which a 3-4 de cannot do because that's not his gap.
He hasn't shown he is still proficient with any other moves(even the wide rush was very ineffective). The only time he would get the qb aside from the wide rush is if the dt's pushed the qb to him. Maybe taking the wide rush away would improve his run defense though. That is where I think he could make some impact.
Harper is a known coverage liability, but we are going back to using the ss as a box safety which means less coverage time. And we all know Harper is great at two things, run defense when in the box and blitzing. He fits the scheme much better than Smith or Vilma, is a little younger, and has less injuries than Vilma.
I'm just curious as to why you are valuing the players differently.
Posted on 3/9/13 at 8:11 pm to landrywasbeast30
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But apparently you have it all figured out and they just want them to stay because they are team leaders. They desperately need cap space, but they are trying to keep these 2 guys for emotional reasons.
I want them to stay? You're the one making the case for them to stay.
I said Payton would like to keep them at the right price because of their leadership. But even Payton says that if the money ain't right it is what it is.
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Fight? I'm having a discussion. I don't see any name calling and hair pulling. Plus I heard that bitch fits dirty.
This post was edited on 3/9/13 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 3/9/13 at 8:15 pm to bonethug0108
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I don't see any name calling
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Plus I heard that bitch fits dirty
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