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re: Roman Harper re-signs with Saints
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:00 am to whodatfan
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:00 am to whodatfan
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I think Harper allows GW to run his defense a certain way
i don't think there is anything THAT special about harper, esp not for CB money
let me ask you this. who would you prefer keeping: harper or porter?
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Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Probably why the Saints drafted a CB this year and a CB last year in the first round too. I doubt Porter demands ridiculous money if he gets hurt again this year. If anything, they'd probably cut Greer to keep Porter.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:09 am to deuce985
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Probably why the Saints drafted a CB this year and a CB last year in the first round too
Drafting a SS would have been a much safer decision.
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they'd probably cut Greer
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:12 am to PokerChamp21
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bit overpaid imo
Ya Think?
I'd have said that at 4/20 mill!
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:13 am to Swagga
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A punter just got a 20 million dollar contract, and everyone in here wants to bitch because we just paid a potential all pro safety 28.
not comparable
1. they have a LOT of cap room. they could pay a punter $30M a year for 2 years and it wouldn't affect them at all, really.
it's a 6-year deal. 6/19.5 = 3.5M per. harper's deal is only 4 years, so it's 7.125 per year. the franchise player tag for P/K is the lowest at $2.8M. the tag for safety is the second lowest at $6.45M. so it's not really that big of a difference relative to their position.
that's just not a good comparison, like saying that the rookie deals opened up all this cap space is not a good line of logic. the saints' rookies weren't going to cost THAT much in 2010 or 2011. the top 10 or so get huge deals, the rest don't
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:16 am to THRILLHO
Well somebody is going to have to go on the chopping block. Greer had over a $20 million in his contract, I'd imagine he'd free something up. Either Porter is gone or Greer. How old is Greer now? CB is a premium position that demands big money. With the way veterans are demanding even more $$$ now, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints let Porter walk. The fact they're still trying to sign Nicks and Brees will be getting more, sacrifices have to be made somewhere. Saints are going to need to get young from the draft.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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let me ask you this. who would you prefer keeping: harper or porter?
Porter, if he can see the field. 29 regular season game appearances in three seasons, though. He's more injury prone than Reggie Bush.
I honestly don't think he's in position to demand a huge deal unless he plays out of his mind this year.
This post was edited on 7/30/11 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:18 am to deuce985
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If anything, they'd probably cut Greer to keep Porter.
As injury prone as Porter has been? I'd rather keep Greer if I was forced to choose. But this may be hand wringing over nothing. By the old rules Harper got overpaid, but someone's already pointed out that the new rules shift cap space towards the veterans. It also forces cheap teams to spend more, like Tampa over paying a punter, that's going to drive everyone's salary up. So it's entirely possible that Harper's deal is the new normal and the league is going to be kicking themselves for trading cash spend for revenue split when they start having NBA style wage inflation for non stars.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:18 am to purplepylon
Glad we resigned him. 
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
Greer looked like shite at times last year and isn't he 30 now? I'm hoping we get a hometown discount with Porter and can use his injuries as leverage. Harper was definitely overpaid. I think he is a solid safety but far from being great. I just don't think the Saints wanted to go on a limited market for a SS. If they whiffed, could you imagine having another Bullocks or Kaevisharn(however the frick you spell it)? I don't think that was something the Saints were willing to gamble with. Harper no doubt used the limited market as leverage and you can't fault the Saints overpaying a Pro Bowl SS.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:22 am to deuce985
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Probably why the Saints drafted a CB this year and a CB last year in the first round too.
i do think this is our last year of porter and greer, too
other guys who are cut candidates (in a year)
pierre may get cut if ingram is capable (i need to re-look at his deal to estimate the cap hit if we cut him next year. it may not even be worth it)
dev. likely gone. not a huge loss
alex brown probably won't be resigned. not a huge loss if jordan/gallette show up
stinchcomb may be cut. we have young OL to replace him and i don't think we'll be able to cut bushrod next year b/c of his new deal (cap hit may be too much). strief would likely step in (assuming we re-sign him)
rogers is probably gone. won't be making a TON of money, but i doubt we will likely need that $4M in space next year, and if he plays well, he'll cost double that likely
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:24 am to EmperorGout
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I honestly don't think he's in position to demand a huge deal unless he plays out of his mind this year.
CB is a premium position and a top CB will get major money even with question marks. good CBs are rare
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
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but someone's already pointed out that the new rules shift cap space towards the veterans.
late 1st round picks don't eat up that much cap room, though. we're likely looking at maybe $1.5M per pick (and likely more like 0.5-1.0M)
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that's going to drive everyone's salary up.
well we did see weddle "set the market"
and we say that manning just signed for 4/20/9
so the market isn't THAT crazy
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Apparently they threw in some extra dough so he could afford to dye his hair black again.
That dude looks like he is 50.
That dude looks like he is 50.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 10:52 am to hobo with a rolex
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Apparently they threw in some extra dough so he could afford to dye his hair black again.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 5:27 pm to qwerpoiu
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W. Smith is scheduled to make 6 mil this year
Vilma 5.1 mil
and do you know how much Harper is schedule to make this year?
it's different every year. I just averaged the amount per year over the haul of the contract.
Will Smith signed a 6 year 70 mil deal. Do the math genius.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:00 pm to Lester Earl
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Do the math genius.
If you need some random person on the internet to agree with you that bad, then here you go.
You are right, I am wrong.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i do think this is our last year of porter and greer, too
Maybe, but frick that regardless. Blues has posted the 16-3 record when they start together, but it's fricking evident watching them...
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:17 pm to THRILLHO
Greer could finish out his contract in 2012
Porter depends more on his knees/health than anything. A full injury free year would go a long ways to keeping him. Another long the lines of his past dings/outages then easier to let walk.
Repeating a GW quote about Casillas today from another thread that ya could apply-
"He's got to prove that he can be available week in and week out. It does not make any difference about his talent. We've cut a lot of players that have a lot of talent through my coaching years. If you're not available then you become a reporter or a coach or an insurance salesman. But you're not a professional athlete. He knows. This is a brutal tough business. This is a production business.
Porter depends more on his knees/health than anything. A full injury free year would go a long ways to keeping him. Another long the lines of his past dings/outages then easier to let walk.
Repeating a GW quote about Casillas today from another thread that ya could apply-
"He's got to prove that he can be available week in and week out. It does not make any difference about his talent. We've cut a lot of players that have a lot of talent through my coaching years. If you're not available then you become a reporter or a coach or an insurance salesman. But you're not a professional athlete. He knows. This is a brutal tough business. This is a production business.
Posted on 7/30/11 at 6:37 pm to blueslover
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Greer could finish out his contract in 2012
Porter depends more on his knees/health than anything. A full injury free year would go a long ways to keeping him. Another long the lines of his past dings/outages then easier to let walk.
losing 1 wouldn't be bad if robinson is god
losing both would leave a gaping hole
i don't know if we have the money to sign 1 of them and nicks/brees/colston
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