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re: Playoff Probability & Scenarios, Tie Breaker Rules, & Schedules
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:08 pm to whodatfan
Posted on 12/10/10 at 5:08 pm to whodatfan
Saints Playoff Payback: Two teams have an undefeated playoff record against the Saints; the Bears and the Falcons. We need to pay them both back this year.
Saints Playoff History
Saints Playoff History
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Posted on 12/11/10 at 11:35 pm to whodatfan
Hard to believe the NFL waited to put the 2 Eagles/Cowboys games until the final four weeks of the season
Posted on 12/12/10 at 12:26 pm to hsfolk
just puuting the links so they're on this page...
playoff probabilities
playoff scenario generator
(ya can go thru and decide each game yourseff if ya didnt notice)
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss
REMAINING SCHEDULE NFC CONTENDAS
NFC EAST
Philadephia Eagles (9-4)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @New York 1:00
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsMinnesota 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsDallas 1:00 PM
New York Giants (9-4)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsPhiladelphia 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 @Green Bay 4:15 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @Washington 1:00 PM
NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears (9-4)
15 Mon, Dec 20 @ Minnesota 8:30 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vs New York G 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @ Green Bay 1:00 PM
Green Bay Packers (8-5)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @New England 8:20 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsNew York 4:15 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsChicago 1:00 PM
NFC SOUTH
ATLANTA FALCONS (11-2)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @Seattle 4:05 PM
16 Mon, Dec 27 vsNew Orleans 8:30 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsCarolina 1:00 PM
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (10-3)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @Baltimore 1:00 PM
16 MonDec 27 @Atlanta 8:30
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsTampa Bay 1:00 PM
TAMPA BAY BUCS (8-5)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsDetroit 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsSeattle 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @New Orleans 1:00 PM
NFC WEST (NO WILD CARD POSSIBILITY)
ST LOUIS RAMS (6-7)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsKansas City 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsSan Francisco 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @Seattle 4:15 PM
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (6-7)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsAtlanta 4:05 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 @Tampa Bay 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsSt. Louis 4:15 PM
---now add SF 5-8
playoff probabilities
playoff scenario generator
(ya can go thru and decide each game yourseff if ya didnt notice)
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss
REMAINING SCHEDULE NFC CONTENDAS
NFC EAST
Philadephia Eagles (9-4)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @New York 1:00
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsMinnesota 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsDallas 1:00 PM
New York Giants (9-4)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsPhiladelphia 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 @Green Bay 4:15 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @Washington 1:00 PM
NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears (9-4)
15 Mon, Dec 20 @ Minnesota 8:30 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vs New York G 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @ Green Bay 1:00 PM
Green Bay Packers (8-5)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @New England 8:20 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsNew York 4:15 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsChicago 1:00 PM
NFC SOUTH
ATLANTA FALCONS (11-2)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @Seattle 4:05 PM
16 Mon, Dec 27 vsNew Orleans 8:30 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsCarolina 1:00 PM
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (10-3)
15 Sun, Dec 19 @Baltimore 1:00 PM
16 MonDec 27 @Atlanta 8:30
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsTampa Bay 1:00 PM
TAMPA BAY BUCS (8-5)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsDetroit 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsSeattle 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @New Orleans 1:00 PM
NFC WEST (NO WILD CARD POSSIBILITY)
ST LOUIS RAMS (6-7)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsKansas City 1:00 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 vsSan Francisco 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 @Seattle 4:15 PM
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (6-7)
15 Sun, Dec 19 vsAtlanta 4:05 PM
16 Sun, Dec 26 @Tampa Bay 1:00 PM
17 Sun, Jan 2 vsSt. Louis 4:15 PM
---now add SF 5-8
This post was edited on 12/13/10 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/12/10 at 3:02 pm to blueslover
This is another example of why seeding should be based on record. Ridiculous that the second best team in the league will be a 5th seed in their conference.
Posted on 12/12/10 at 11:34 pm to ffishstik
I don't have any prob with it myself. Everyone knows the rules and winning your division is a premium. If it was the Saints in the reverse position can you honestly say you would be saying it isn't right they get a homefield game?
Posted on 12/13/10 at 10:44 am to NOLATIGAH
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if the saints win out and atlanta only loses to us. they go because of the common games. we lost to arizona and they beat them.
Partially correct. The diffrence is our two losses were to Cleveland and Arizona, and Atlanta beat both of them. Atlanta's two losses were to Pitt and Philly. We beat Pitt, but didn't play Philly. So Atlanta wins the common opponent tiebreaker. The bottom line is beat Baltimore next week and pull like hell for Seattle. I can't see any chance Atlanta loses at home to Carolina.
Posted on 12/13/10 at 10:06 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:
I can't see any chance Atlanta loses at home to Carolina.
Unless they've already clinched the #1 seed and rest their starters-like we did last year.
Hartley's kick could give them a 2-week bye while the Saints have to hold off the Bucs for a WC and travel to St. Louis/Seattle.
P.S. Giants are now 9-4.
This post was edited on 12/13/10 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 12/14/10 at 7:59 pm to RockChalkTiger
quote:
Unless they've already clinched the #1 seed and rest their starters-like we did last year.
There is no way in hell they sit their starters if we are on their arse and can still take the division.
Posted on 12/14/10 at 8:05 pm to schmitty
isn't that what he said? IF THEY CLINCHED
Posted on 12/16/10 at 9:52 pm to blueslover
some good playoffs odds stuff HERE
kinda interesting some of the potential super bowl matchups at the end
kinda interesting some of the potential super bowl matchups at the end
Posted on 12/19/10 at 3:37 pm to blueslover
UPDATED situation after today's loss.
First the Falcons have to lose to the Panthers for the Saints to win the division.
The Saints would have the same win-loss as the Falcons, the Saints will be ahead in win-loss percentage within the division.
If the Saints win out and the above happens the Saints will get the 1st seed ahead of the Eagles. The Saints will be tied in win-loss, but ahead of the Eagles in win-loss percentage in the conference. The Eagles would have lost 3 games in the conference to the Saint's 2 conference losses.
Wildcard situation: (if the above does not happen)
If the Saints beat the Falcons but lose to the Bucs, the Saints will still finish ahead of the Bucs.
The Saints will be tied in games won-lost, and tied in head to head, but ahead of the Bucs in win-loss percentage in the conference.
The Saints can lose to either the Falcons or the Bucs, but not both, and finish ahead of the Giants.
The Saints will be tied with the Giants in win-loss, but the Saints will be ahead of the Giants in win-loss percentage within the conference.
I don't feel the need to break down the situation with the Packers because they won't win out.
Basically, the Saints can still win the division, and they are in very good shape to still keep the 5th seed.
First the Falcons have to lose to the Panthers for the Saints to win the division.
The Saints would have the same win-loss as the Falcons, the Saints will be ahead in win-loss percentage within the division.
If the Saints win out and the above happens the Saints will get the 1st seed ahead of the Eagles. The Saints will be tied in win-loss, but ahead of the Eagles in win-loss percentage in the conference. The Eagles would have lost 3 games in the conference to the Saint's 2 conference losses.
quote:
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Wildcard situation: (if the above does not happen)
If the Saints beat the Falcons but lose to the Bucs, the Saints will still finish ahead of the Bucs.
The Saints will be tied in games won-lost, and tied in head to head, but ahead of the Bucs in win-loss percentage in the conference.
The Saints can lose to either the Falcons or the Bucs, but not both, and finish ahead of the Giants.
The Saints will be tied with the Giants in win-loss, but the Saints will be ahead of the Giants in win-loss percentage within the conference.
I don't feel the need to break down the situation with the Packers because they won't win out.
Basically, the Saints can still win the division, and they are in very good shape to still keep the 5th seed.
quote:
BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
This post was edited on 12/19/10 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:04 pm to ATLienTiger
All of the common opponent posts saying of Atlanta loses Seattle are saying we would be tied. Wrong. We loss to Arizona cleveland and Ravens. Falcons would have loss to Seattle and Pittsburgh. 3-2 we lose.
Real issue is if we lose out do we not make wild card? Answer is if Giants and Bucs win out they go ahead of us.
You use division tie breaker first i believe in determinjng wild card from same division. Division record would be same with Bucs and head to head tied. Then To common Opponent. They loss to Pitt, Baltimore, Detroit, new Orleans and Atlanta twice. We would have loss to Atlanta twice, Baltimore Arizona Tampa and Cleveland. 4 losses in common opponents to 5 for Saints
Real issue is if we lose out do we not make wild card? Answer is if Giants and Bucs win out they go ahead of us.
You use division tie breaker first i believe in determinjng wild card from same division. Division record would be same with Bucs and head to head tied. Then To common Opponent. They loss to Pitt, Baltimore, Detroit, new Orleans and Atlanta twice. We would have loss to Atlanta twice, Baltimore Arizona Tampa and Cleveland. 4 losses in common opponents to 5 for Saints
Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:09 pm to northeasttiger
Yeah, thats what I said. The Saints can lose one of their remaining 2 games and clinch a wildcard spot, but they can't lose both AND have the Giants AND Tampa win their remaining 2 games.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:45 pm to ATLienTiger
The Saints can lose out as long as Seattle beats Tampa Bay.
Posted on 12/19/10 at 4:46 pm to Ford Frenzy
I really doesn't matter at this point.
The ONLY shot the Saints have is to win out.
They cannot afford to end in a tie with NYG. I think the NYG will in out and end at 11-5. If the Saints lose to ATL and things hold true (Giants win out), would they get the nod over them? There is no head-to-head, the in conference record would be the same, they do
have 3 common opponents, BUT NYG played Dallas twice. I can't find the ruling on that. Since they are 1-1 and the Saints are 5-0, then it would stand to reason, the Saints would win the tie break?
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tiebreaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss.
they
The ONLY shot the Saints have is to win out.
They cannot afford to end in a tie with NYG. I think the NYG will in out and end at 11-5. If the Saints lose to ATL and things hold true (Giants win out), would they get the nod over them? There is no head-to-head, the in conference record would be the same, they do
have 3 common opponents, BUT NYG played Dallas twice. I can't find the ruling on that. Since they are 1-1 and the Saints are 5-0, then it would stand to reason, the Saints would win the tie break?
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tiebreaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss.
they
Posted on 12/19/10 at 8:41 pm to Jaketigger
1. Saints win at Atlanta or vs Tampa Bay and they're in
2. If Saints lose out, they are still in, if:
-- Tampa Bay lose vs Seattle
or
-- Giants lose at GB and WSH, Packers lose to Chicago
2. If Saints lose out, they are still in, if:
-- Tampa Bay lose vs Seattle
or
-- Giants lose at GB and WSH, Packers lose to Chicago
Posted on 12/19/10 at 9:51 pm to purplepylon
not too hard to conceive scenario
Saints and other (philly-nyg)wildcard win
other wildcard winner beats dirty birds
Saints beat #2 seed philly or nyg
Saints host NFCCG vs. #6 seed
some years that would be a way out there hope, doesn't seem far fetched at all with the #3-4 seeds being inferior to the #5-6
Saints and other (philly-nyg)wildcard win
other wildcard winner beats dirty birds
Saints beat #2 seed philly or nyg
Saints host NFCCG vs. #6 seed
some years that would be a way out there hope, doesn't seem far fetched at all with the #3-4 seeds being inferior to the #5-6
Posted on 12/19/10 at 9:52 pm to blueslover
If you use that playoff senario generator on the first page, it says the Saints get the one seed if they win out and Atl loses to Carolina in week 17
Posted on 12/19/10 at 10:50 pm to 9Fiddy
that is correct, just pretty far out there in probability to happen
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:22 am to blueslover
quote:
philly-nyg)wildcard win
both teams very capable of beating the Falcons.
quote:
Saints beat #2 seed philly or nyg
This would be the worst part about the playoffs. Traveling to a cold outdoor stadium to play either of these talented teams.
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