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Payton the so-called QB guru doesn't develop QB's
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:04 am
Brees, Winston, and Siemian. Hence the lack of development of Hill as a pure passer. Where's Ian Book? Let's see the rookie the rest of the season. Does Sean have him ready to play and able to gain some experience?
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:07 am to boudinman
Brees > under payton than before
Bridgewater > under payton than anywhere else
Romo > under payton than anyone else
Winston > under payton than anyone else, he was just getting started
Taysom hill > under payton than with green bay
No one, and i mean no qb should be judged by what they have had to put out offensively these last 4-5 games.
Truth is, Tom Brady wouldnt be good behind this line with these weapons
Bridgewater > under payton than anywhere else
Romo > under payton than anyone else
Winston > under payton than anyone else, he was just getting started
Taysom hill > under payton than with green bay
No one, and i mean no qb should be judged by what they have had to put out offensively these last 4-5 games.
Truth is, Tom Brady wouldnt be good behind this line with these weapons
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:39 am to boudinman
This ain't HS or College. This is Professional Football.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:56 am to josh336
He didn't start a regular season game with green Bay, that's not hard to improve on lol.
I think in the regular season starts including last year, the same team Brees had so that's not an excuse, he has 2 td and 5 ints. Is this how you define a coach as a quarterback guru?
I think in the regular season starts including last year, the same team Brees had so that's not an excuse, he has 2 td and 5 ints. Is this how you define a coach as a quarterback guru?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:00 am to boudinman
Chase Daniel and Ryan Griffin have both had long careers as backups in the league. Chase has started games for other teams.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:05 am to Wardniner01
Does he elevate qbs moreso than other coaches, thats the measure. And he does that pretty consistently. There is no question
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:10 am to boudinman
It's not as much developing quarterbacks. He isn't going to turn an average quarterback into a superstar. He gets the most out of the quarterbacks he has. That's why he is so good.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:37 am to boudinman
There is something to this thought that Payton does not develop QB's, but to be fair I cannot think of another NFL coach that does.
I think it would be fair to say Payton is not a good evaluator of NFL QB potential. Brees was a known commodity when Payton brought him to the saints. Sure, he had his shoulder injury question but a healthy Brees as a good NFL qb was a known.
Some say Payton was somewhat responsible for finding Romo but Romo was under Parcells influence more than Payton.
Now, the knock on Payton's in-ability to evaluate QB's is proven in all the QB's he personally drafted since the saints HC and the fact that not a one has come close to even being a backup QB on any team. That is a huge flaw for a offensive guru with a HOF QB on his resume'.
I personally think Payton has the Jerry Jones syndrome. He desperately wants to find the wildcard QB that no one had on their radar and turn that QB into a HOF'er.
I think it would be fair to say Payton is not a good evaluator of NFL QB potential. Brees was a known commodity when Payton brought him to the saints. Sure, he had his shoulder injury question but a healthy Brees as a good NFL qb was a known.
Some say Payton was somewhat responsible for finding Romo but Romo was under Parcells influence more than Payton.
Now, the knock on Payton's in-ability to evaluate QB's is proven in all the QB's he personally drafted since the saints HC and the fact that not a one has come close to even being a backup QB on any team. That is a huge flaw for a offensive guru with a HOF QB on his resume'.
I personally think Payton has the Jerry Jones syndrome. He desperately wants to find the wildcard QB that no one had on their radar and turn that QB into a HOF'er.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:50 am to fwtex
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I think it would be fair to say Payton is not a good evaluator of NFL QB potential.
He tried t jump up in the draft to get Mahomes when no one else was big on him except KC. Last draft he tried to get Mac Jones. His highest grades for QB's pre-draft are Russel Wilson,Mahomes,Justin Herbert and Deshaun Watson.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:02 am to boudinman
I neve got the QB Guru take as in he develops QBs. I always thought of him as a guy who designs an offense to take advantage of what a specific QB does well. As a result they are in a better position to succeed. I think every QB who had a previous track record prior to Payto has done better under Payton.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:03 am to mdomingue
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a guy who designs an offense to take advantage of what a specific QB does well
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:06 am to Chad504boy
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a guy who designs an offense to take advantage of what a specific QB does well
If that's what I get from the guy who thinks Taysom Hill should be the starting QB and is know for some of the crappiest takes on the board, I'll take it.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:11 am to mdomingue
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If that's what I get from the guy who thinks Taysom Hill should be the starting QB and is know for some of the crappiest takes on the board, I'll take it.
if that's what makes you feel better. I don't think Payton does a good job of implementing mobile qb usage on a consistent basis. Maybe its just not the style payton is full time comfortable with. Last year was a shite show with the lack of designed and originality of the designed runs when taysom played those 4 games.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:12 am to boudinman
The best way to handle aall "boudinman" threads:
Do not downvote
Do not reply
Troll will eventually disappear.
Seriously, why do yall keep giving him what he wants?
Do not downvote
Do not reply
Troll will eventually disappear.
Seriously, why do yall keep giving him what he wants?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:22 am to Midget Death Squad
Dude let's see the rookie Book play and compare his play to Mac Jones the rest of the season. We'll have our answer if he develops and gets better.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:23 am to boudinman
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let's see the rookie Book play and compare his play to Mac Jones the rest of the season. We'll have our answer if he develops and gets better.
You want to let a rookie play with no o line and nobody to throw it to regardless. Sounds like a recipe to frick up a young talent to me.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:30 am to Chad504boy
Are Jones and Lawrence playing as rookies? Justin Herbert? Did Russell Wilson play as a rookie? There is no substitute for getting real game experience.
Play him and let's see the results.
Play him and let's see the results.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:50 am to fwtex
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Now, the knock on Payton's in-ability to evaluate QB's is proven in all the QB's he personally drafted since the saints HC and the fact that not a one has come close to even being a backup QB on any team. That is a huge flaw for a offensive guru with a HOF QB on his resume'.
You're right, everyone expected Sean Canfield in the 7th round, Garret Grayson late in the 3rd round, Tommy Stevens in round 7, or Ian Book in the 4th round to set the world on fire. Each of them should've been a backup QB on atleast one team.
Payton wanted to draft Mahomes in 2017. Kansas City traded up one spot ahead of the Saints. It would've been great had we drafted Mahomes instead of Lattimore. It just didn't happen. This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:59 am to fwtex
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Now, the knock on Payton's in-ability to evaluate QB's is proven in all the QB's he personally drafted since the saints HC and the fact that not a one has come close to even being a backup QB on any team.
This is flat out untrue.
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I personally think Payton has the Jerry Jones syndrome. He desperately wants to find the wildcard QB that no one had on their radar and turn that QB into a HOF'er.
And this is complete lunacy.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:43 pm to Cenlabration
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He tried t jump up in the draft to get Mahomes when no one else was big on him except KC. Last draft he tried to get Mac Jones. His highest grades for QB's pre-draft are Russel Wilson,Mahomes,Justin Herbert and Deshaun Watson.
This actually makes part of my point for me. If Payton fully believed these QB's on his draft board were who they are today (exception of Watson) then you do what you have to do to get them. You don't say we tried but the cost was too great so we went for this other player and other QB later in the draft. I realize that when they had Brees that they saw more value prioritizing other positions, no problem in that logic, but then don't say we would have picked this future HOF if he was available when we picked. Hey we tried but it just did not work out.
For another debate, Watson is not a franchise QB that will take any team to a SB. His stats are horrible when the outcomes of his games are not already decided. He makes more mistakes and bad plays when under the pressure of needing a positive play.
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