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re: Officially eliminated from the playoffs for the fourth consecutive season.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:32 am to saintlad74
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:32 am to saintlad74
People here overrate what a “rebuild” takes. It’s a qb driven league. Find one and the rest figures itself out.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:45 am to Paul Allen
dude we were eliminated in week 4
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:06 am to NIH
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People here overrate what a “rebuild” takes. It’s a qb driven league. Find one and the rest figures itself out.
I think people overrate QBs.
Justin Herbert is a good QB and they’ve been a bottom tier team until this year. Burrow is one of the best QBs in the league and they will have a losing record. Hell, the defense is carrying the Chiefs this year. Rodgers is killing the Jets.
A high round QB doesn’t guarantee things either. Bears, Carolina, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, and Cardinals all have top 10 pick QBs.
Some of the best teams are good teams with average QB play. Lions, Vikings, Eagles, Buccaneers, Steelers, etc.
Nobody thought Eli Manning was an elite QB and they won two superbowls with him.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:09 am to msstate7
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It's the same thing that gets us every season - injuries. At least we moved one of the ones that can't stay healthy in Lattimore.
We’re just not very good injured or no. We’re thin, old, short on true offensive difference makers, pass rushers, depth. We have no identity other than an attempted dollar store version of the CSP/Brees years.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:12 am to Suntiger
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Some of the best teams are good teams with average QB play. Lions, Vikings, Eagles, Buccaneers, Steelers, etc.
The lions, Vikings, Bucs have had the furthest thing from “average” qb play. They all have ratings over 100, and are amongst the league leaders in passing yards (all in top 6) and touchdowns(all three in the top 5) with all three QBs over 30 tds, and baker and Goff also completing over 71% on their passes(Darnold 67%). Goff and Darnold are both in the top 4 for yards per attempt ahead of Burrow and Baker in top 10.
They’ve all had elite play.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 10:41 am to St Augustine
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They’ve all had elite play.
Not to debate the semantics of play vs. player. But does anyone think Goff, Darnold, Hurts, Mayfield and Wilson are elite quarterbacks? Or is the team and coaching really good which is elevating their play? That’s the point I’m trying to make.
None of those guys is Mahomes, Allen or Burrow.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:27 am to Suntiger
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Not to debate the semantics of play vs. player. But does anyone think Goff, Darnold, Hurts, Mayfield and Wilson are elite quarterbacks? Or is the team and coaching really good which is elevating their play? That’s the point I’m trying to make. None of those guys is Mahomes, Allen or Burrow.
Maybe not. But are we sure guys drafted 1st overall, 3rd overall, and 1st overall aren’t ACTUALLY really good now that they have stable situations? Are we sure that we wouldn’t be reversing this if mahomes was initially drafted by the jets or the browns and not Reid and a 12-4 team, and Allen didn’t have good OCs straighten his career out after a rocky start?
I guess I’m asking how long would these guys have to play at an elite level before they get credit? How long does mahomes have to be meh before he gets knocked down a peg even while having Andy Reid?
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:36 am to St Augustine
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are we sure guys drafted 1st overall, 3rd overall, and 1st overall aren’t ACTUALLY really good now that they have stable situations? Are we sure that we wouldn’t be reversing this if mahomes was initially drafted by the jets or the browns and not Reid and a 12-4 team, and Allen didn’t have good OCs straighten his career out after a rocky start?
I agree with you on all of the above. What I disagree with is the below post.
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People here overrate what a “rebuild” takes. It’s a qb driven league. Find one and the rest figures itself out.
QBs are given too much credit and blame. QBs need good players, coaching and organizations around them. Finding a good QB doesn’t fix all ills.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 11:51 am to Suntiger
For sure. I agree with you 100%
I actually have this theory that in a copycat league the next trend is going to be the mid 20s first round bust reclamation. With QB contracts being what they are, college qb play being so horrible, and modern medicine, I think the age/prime of many QBs is getting pushed back.
It’s really hard to get a guy at 21/22 to run a bunch of grown men and adjust between cfb and the nfl.
I thing we’re going to see more and more teams think I can turn this bust into an asset that is maybe not top 3-5 but interchangeable with the next dozen players.
I actually have this theory that in a copycat league the next trend is going to be the mid 20s first round bust reclamation. With QB contracts being what they are, college qb play being so horrible, and modern medicine, I think the age/prime of many QBs is getting pushed back.
It’s really hard to get a guy at 21/22 to run a bunch of grown men and adjust between cfb and the nfl.
I thing we’re going to see more and more teams think I can turn this bust into an asset that is maybe not top 3-5 but interchangeable with the next dozen players.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:18 pm to St Augustine
There has kind of been a resurgence of the running game around the league too.
Hurts hasn't really thrown all that much. The eagles have been a run heavy team for example.
Derrick Henry has been a huge addition for the Ravens.
Not long ago. The popular narrative was that running backs are just a dime a dozen, but those two free agent additions have really stood out.
Goff has been really good but the Lions also have a good ground game. I guess it took a hit with David Montgomery getting hurt the other day. They don't have that one-two punch but for most of the season they have.
Hurts hasn't really thrown all that much. The eagles have been a run heavy team for example.
Derrick Henry has been a huge addition for the Ravens.
Not long ago. The popular narrative was that running backs are just a dime a dozen, but those two free agent additions have really stood out.
Goff has been really good but the Lions also have a good ground game. I guess it took a hit with David Montgomery getting hurt the other day. They don't have that one-two punch but for most of the season they have.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:46 pm to Suntiger
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Not to debate the semantics of play vs. player. But does anyone think Goff, Darnold, Hurts, Mayfield and Wilson are elite quarterbacks?
2 of those guys were the 1 overall pick and another was #3 (in the same draft as Mayfield).
QB in and of itself doesn’t just make you a contender you do need good coaching an a good organization. The Saints will not improve until they address the cap issues no matter how much some of you want to deny that.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 12:55 pm to Paul Allen
We just need to win the next 3 games to make the fans happy, win as many games as possible without making the playoffs
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:00 pm to Suntiger
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Finding a good QB doesn’t fix all ills.
Very true. But those very rare almost impossible to find or luck into QBs are the exception to that rule. The Patricks, Daniels, Brees, Allen, Elway and such.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:19 pm to goatmilker
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Finding a good QB doesn’t fix all ills.
Very true. But those very rare almost impossible to find or luck into QBs are the exception to that rule. The Patricks, Daniels, Brees, Allen, Elway and such.
Yes, an exceptional QB makes a huge difference. But would Mahomes be as good without Andy Reid? Brees without Payton? I’m just saying you can’t pick a good QB and then magically have a great team.
Burrow had the benefit of a good defense when he had the rookie contract. Now the team can’t field a defense because of his contract and the Bengals bad coaching and management.
Herbert had good defensive players, but couldn’t win a game with Staley. It will be interesting to see what Harbaugh can do with that aging defense.
Not totally downplaying the importance of a QB. Just saying it isn’t a silver bullet.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:17 pm to Stamps74
That’s more than likely not going to happen.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 1:24 pm to Suntiger
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I think people overrate QBs. Justin Herbert is a good QB and they’ve been a bottom tier team until this year
Wrong and wrong.
Chargers are good this year, bc they got the coach I said we should have got instead of Allen.
Redskins have way less talent than us. Were picking 2nd last year for a reason. Daniels is making all the difference on that team. He’s hiding major problems on their oline and sustaining drives keeping their defense on the sidelines.
QB might be more underrated than you think.
Coaching and a good qb matter the most in this league.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 5:32 pm to Townedrunkard
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Wrong and wrong.
Chargers are good this year, bc they got the coach I said we should have got instead of Allen.
Redskins have way less talent than us. Were picking 2nd last year for a reason. Daniels is making all the difference on that team. He’s hiding major problems on their oline and sustaining drives keeping their defense on the sidelines.
QB might be more underrated than you think.
Coaching and a good qb matter the most in this league.
No, you’re wrong. Herbert has been a good QB, but that team has been crap until this year. That proves my point that a QB doesn’t make a team good.
Washington has really good talent. Brian Robinson, Scary Terry, Jamison Crowder and Zach Ertz are better than what we have trotted out the past few weeks (besides Kamara). Their defense is about the same as ours, but their offensive line and coaching is better than ours. Daniels has been great. He’s elevated the team. But you’re just as likely to pick a Caleb Williams, Justin Fields, Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, or Tua than you are to get a Jayden or a Burrow.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 6:32 pm to St Augustine
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How long does mahomes have to be meh before he gets knocked down a peg even while having Andy Reid?
They’re 15 and fricking 1
Posted on 12/25/24 at 6:38 pm to chalmetteowl
Sorry. Wasn’t aware that was strictly reflective of a qb. The guy had a great game today but he has been in the 80s or below in quarterback rating in HALF his games this year. It’s ok to say he’s had a mediocre season compared to many other QBs. 
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 8:43 pm to St Augustine
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It’s ok to say he’s had a mediocre season compared to many other QBs.
No because the point of a QB is to win games… if he throws for 450 and 6 TDs and they lose 52-49, tough, should have thrown for 500 and 7 TDs
And yards, stats, and first downs aren’t always the winning play to make
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