re: Official "It's okay to stand up for an entire playoff game" thread

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You know, if you parented you child in such a manner that he/she understands that the rest of the world is wide and varied. And that some people (you and your family) think cursing is da debil and will result in a fiery eternity in hell, and that others think it's just a way to release frustrations in an emotionally charged environment. I parent my family to know and expect it. To over look it and to know that I will NOT tolerate it from my children. Kids aren't stupid. When you make something out to be a HUGE, GARGANTUAN deal, they will focus on it. When you teach them that it's present, and that they are expected to ignore it, they will. If you have kids, I'm sure you've done this before. They get focused on something you'd rather they didn't focus on. Distract them, pretend it's not a big deal and they will lose interest. Make it out as a huge deal and something that you change your entire attitude/plan for, and they will continue to obsess about it.

Kids are GOING to cuss. Unless they are never allowed to participate in public situations, they WILL learn 4 letter words. It's a fact. You can choose to make it a super huge, awful, unbelievable, "let's get up and leave in the first quarter" type of reality, or you can teach your kids that because they hear those words in public, does NOT mean they get to use them.

It's not hard brother.

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So you've taken it upon yourself to decide how others should raise their children.

If you can drop an F bomb while standing next to someone's 8 year old girl, there's something wrong with you. Plain and simple.

so does the yyt's song go "sit down on your hands" or "stand up and get crunk"?

I think the players, coaches, etc would much rather we stand up.

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You know, if you parented you child in such a manner that he/she understands that the rest of the world is wide and varied. And that some people (you and your family) think cursing is da debil and will result in a fiery eternity in hell, and that others think it's just a way to release frustrations in an emotionally charged environment. I parent my family to know and expect it. To over look it and to know that I will NOT tolerate it from my children. Kids aren't stupid. When you make something out to be a HUGE, GARGANTUAN deal, they will focus on it. When you teach them that it's present, and that they are expected to ignore it, they will. If you have kids, I'm sure you've done this before. They get focused on something you'd rather they didn't focus on. Distract them, pretend it's not a big deal and they will lose interest. Make it out as a huge deal and something that you change your entire attitude/plan for, and they will continue to obsess about it.

Kids are GOING to cuss. Unless they are never allowed to participate in public situations, they WILL learn 4 letter words. It's a fact. You can choose to make it a super huge, awful, unbelievable, "let's get up and leave in the first quarter" type of reality, or you can teach your kids that because they hear those words in public, does NOT mean they get to use them.

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The amount of arrogance on display in this post is staggering(sp?).

I have no real issue with standing/not standing. A general amount of courtesy is expected and mostly observed by most at sporting events.

But using parenting as an excuse to make yourself feel better about being a trash-mouth a-hole is just all kinds of awesome.

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I can't for the life of me understand the entitlement and discourteousness of punkass young fans who insist on standing when older fans ask them to please sit.

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The entitlement attitude is oozing from your side of this discussion. You believe that because you choose to sit (the less raucous of the two options) that we should also sit. You believe that you are entitled to a specific game experience. When you bought your ticket, you do so with the knowledge that people are going to be excited and crazy. Some may stand, others may sit. It is luck (or bad luck in your case) if you're behind people who stand. Nothing more.


ETA: Not to mention that your post is full of all kinds of ageism.

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I think the players, coaches, etc would much rather we stand up.

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This is the only thing I'm arguing. I want to win the SB. If coaches and player want me to bring the noisemaker thing in a beer bottle, or wear a certain color, or chant something special, or any number of different things to give them even a SLIGHT advantage, I'll do it. Because I want to win. Period.

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people are emotionally invested in a team and can do NOTHING to affect the outcome directly.

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Sooo, you can do nothing to affect the outcome, which you admit. Yet you insist on your meaningless behavior disrupting those around you.

And PS, if you are that "emotionally invested" , in a sporting event, it is possible if not probable your parenting skills are not quite up to the level you indicate.

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When the situation is completely inappropriate (i.e. kids sporting events, family dinners at a restaurant, dance recitals, gymnastics class, kids b-day parties at Chuckie Cheese), I'll warn someone once, and the next time they do it, I'll make sure the only way he can cuss is with crayons and notebook paper.

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Now you go with the cant cuss, but fighting is A.O.K.....seriously, you got some fricked up parenting techniques.

So you would not just have your child learn that this is just a societal norm? So your ability to parent your child just has boundaries football games you can handle, birthday parties not so much. I can see where THAT will not confuse them.

Instead of just "cussing is wrong", we must determine if we are in the correct environment for cussing to be wrong. Nice. A whole lot of arbitrary rules usually works best on the children.

Nice and silly.

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Sooo, you can do nothing to affect the outcome, which you admit. Yet you insist on your meaningless behavior disrupting those around you.

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Noooooo. Pay attention and try to use your reading comprehension skills. I said we can do nothing DIRECTLY. Meaning we cannot play. We cannot coach. We cannot DIRECTLY affect the outcome. The ONLY thing fans are left with, is standing, screaming, dressing crazy, cussing, yelling, cheering, etc.

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And PS, if you are that "emotionally invested" , in a sporting event, it is possible if not probable your parenting skills are not quite up to the level you indicate.

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Wow. You really got me there. Let's see... Tiger Stadium is arguably one of the toughest places to play in the entire country. This is because of the LSU fans who cheer loudly, right? Meaning that they are emotionally invested in what's happening on the field. So by your logic, there are 90,000 assholes who can't parent for shite in Baton Rouge during the season, huh? Not to mention the other 10-15 K who tailgate without tickets. And lets not forget the other 100- 250K "True" fans who can't make the game but watch on TV and are emotionally invested.

Ouch.

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Now you go with the cant cuss, but fighting is A.O.K.....seriously, you got some fricked up parenting techniques.

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Since you lack the powers of context and inference. I'll go into detail with you.

Usually, both parents are at functions for the kids (at least, in my house we are). If someone is acting inappropriately at a function, I walk up to the a-hole, pull him in real close, and whisper that he has two choices, shut the frick up or leave. My wife knows when I'm about to do this and she's good at distraction and focusing attention away from the trouble maker. No one can hear this but me, and it looks like we're talking to anyone paying attention. One of two things will happen when I use this technique.

A) He takes offense to my invading his personal space and before I can layout the options, he takes a swing. I subdue him quickly and without a huge scene. And "escort" him from the area/restaurant/field. Once we're outside/away from everyone else, he gets to choose either an arse whippin, or he can leave.

B) He takes my suggestion and stops acting like an idiot or leaves altogether.

Physical confrontation doesn't have to be the horrid, haymaker fest of youtube fame. A couple of short, body control/pressure point actions and one can gain complete control over another human being without things turning into Tyson vs Holyfield. In fact, in this particular situation, I consider it a failed attempt if other people know what has happenend.

Clear enough for you there, Nostradamus?

Now, when kids aren't present, all bets are off and I'm wailing on a bitch until he's out.

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Instead of just "cussing is wrong", we must determine if we are in the correct environment for cussing to be wrong. Nice. A whole lot of arbitrary rules usually works best on the children.

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I missed this little gem in my previous post.

No. That's not what I said. I also did not say that I cuss. What I said is that when people cuss around my family at sporting events, I explain the situation and parent my child. As far as my child is concerned, cussing is not allowed at all, under any circumstances. Because he is a child. He will understand the difference between adults in public and their "right to do as they please" and the fact that what the choose to do is not always correct or pleasant.

There's a difference between things that are legal but inappropriate and things that are illegal. I can understand that this concept is fairly advanced and would be difficult for someone like you to instill in a child. So I don't blame you. To each his own, but don't infringe on others rights because you lack the intelligence to explain the intricacies of social constructs to kids.

Brad Childress says

"Were going to make them (the fans) sit on their hands down there"