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re: NOPD logs show no record of 911 call to report hit and run

Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:56 am to
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:56 am to
quote:

forced a motor vehicle accident


where is this coming from?
Umm, the press release? Hayes followed Smith, and rear-ended his vehicle, which then struck another car in front. Is this not still what is understood to have occurred, regardless of what happened prior to that event? If so, he forced a motor vehicle accident. Jesus, are you going to contest everything? Did it happen, or not?

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This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 2:59 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107866 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:29 am to
quote:

Is this not still what is understood to have occurred, regardless of what happened prior to that event? If so, he forced a motor vehicle accident. Jesus, are you going to contest everything? Did it happen, or not?
I agree with diat. The language of "forced" a motor vehicle "accident" seems funny. Was it forced or was it an accident?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127733 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:15 am to
Its not funny at all. Its pretty straightforward. Even intentional ones are referred to by police as MVAs (motor vehicle accidents).
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107866 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:19 am to
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Its not funny at all. Its pretty straightforward. Even intentional ones are referred to by police as MVAs (motor vehicle accidents).
I understand. The use of the word "forced" is still speculative. It should not be referred to as a "forced" vehicle accident yet IMHO. Do you not agree?


ETA: I understand that forced could still refer to an accident, however I think there are better words that can be used
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 9:21 am
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287801 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:41 am to
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One of the first officers to arrive on the Will Smith shooting scene found a semiautomatic Ruger SR45 handgun on the hood of an orange Hummer with one round left in the chamber and an empty magazine, according to an initial police report released Tuesday.

That brief report reveals few new details about the investigation into Smith’s death. But it does state that the weapon – apparently the same one police believe 28-year-old Cardell Hayes used to shoot Smith – came back “not stolen” in a search through the National Crime Information Center.


Advocate.com
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47115 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:10 am to
I didnt realize smiths wife was black.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22708 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:29 am to
MVA isn't just used by police, it's standard terminology for any emergency responders and healthcare workers. It's a pretty universal term to describe a vehicle getting in a wreck... or accident.
What do you call it when a car hits another, or goes off the road, etc?

As for "forced"; Hayes' Hummer was the first vehicle involved in that 3 car accident, it hit Smith's SUV and pushed it into the car in front. If there were no further events following this (i.e. no shooting), the Hummer would be designated as the at-fault vehicle (meaning the Hummer's insurance would pay for any claim by Smith's SUV and at least 50% for the front car). if a prior Hit-and-Run was determined to have happened, I don't think it affects this accident as far as liability (and certainly not as far as the front car).

If you want further explanation of the term "forced", consider this: the 3 car accident was completely caused by the Hummer rear-ending the SUV. If Hayes had simply followed, got Smith's license plate, and then left (as the police and 911 operator would have advised), there would be no second accident at all. So whether or not he intentionally rammed into Smith's SUV (and there seems to be some evidence, at least circumstancial, that he did), he created it by pursuit. Thus, he forced it to happen.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
22761 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:37 am to
so does that mean he loaded 1 bullet in the chamber, then loaded an additional bullet back into the clip?

that gun can only carry 10 bullets in mag right?
Posted by BayouBengal6884
Lafourche Parish
Member since Dec 2013
618 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:28 pm to
You can get a 12 round mag
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
22761 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:52 pm to
Gotcha.

If he did have a 12 round mag then he only loaded 11 bullets in it. Which would be odd.

My point to all this is, he most likely exited his car with his gun cocked and loaded.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
175144 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:53 pm to
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exited his car with his gun cocked and loaded.


exited with gun is all thats needed to be said. most carry their guns loaded. any other way is unamerican.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287801 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:04 pm to
or it had 10 rounds and he only fired 9 shots, and one of the rounds went through Will and hit the wife.

not sure if they ever said how many casings they found. or if people just assumed he fired 10x because there were 10 wounds
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
175144 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:10 pm to
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Lester Earl


I'll say this only off of what's been reported, haven't they said that only 1 bullet exited Will? If that's true, its factual that I know of one bullet that strike the passenger front door. The picture on exterior shows a bullet that strike door, i think it hit from inside and punctured exterior of door outward. I know it wasn't a shot that was aimed at her legs that hit the door.

This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
19932 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:12 pm to
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or it had 10 rounds and he only fired 9 shots, and one of the rounds went through Will and hit the wife.


Smith attorney said she was shot twice before Will was ever shot. Even if this isn't the case, I doubt this scenario because of the difference in size of Will and Racquel. She is only is as tall as his shoulder when she's wearing 6" heels.

Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
19932 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

I know of one bullet that strike the passenger front door. The picture on exterior shows a bullet that strike door, i think it hit from inside and punctured exterior of door outward.


Might have been the only bullet that exited and it was from his right shoulder.
Posted by Mouth
Member since Jan 2008
22761 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

most carry their guns loaded. any other way is unamerican.


right.

but my point is if he did fire 10 shots, then his gun was cocked and then re-loaded with 1 additional bullet before he even got out his car.

who does that?

again, this is all me just spit balling.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
287801 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Smith attorney


is a liar and left out details in his story, so i wouldnt use him to confirm one way or another..


quote:

, I doubt this scenario because of the difference in size of Will and Racquel. She is only is as tall as his shoulder when she's wearing 6" heels.


bullets redirect when they pass through someone.
Posted by WhoDat37
Member since Mar 2016
431 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

bullets redirect when they pass through someone.


And they just happened to hit each leg while having enough force to shatter bone, after passing through someone and hitting something while drastically changing direction. If a bullet is being redirected by hitting bone, that's going to take a lot of force away from it, and make it way less likely to leave the body

Seems likely
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 5:06 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47115 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:27 pm to
I dont think that ding on the door is from this incident. it appears all of the shooting went down on the drivers side of the vehicle.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
175144 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:30 pm to
Negative. That's a shot that hit door from inside when door closed buddy.
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