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No Way In Hell to Trade Reggie
Posted on 1/27/09 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/27/09 at 9:59 am
Like him or not he ain't going anywhere folks. Review the new contract to understand-
While his salary stays the same in 2008, he'll see a marginal increase in 2009 ($2.2 million to $2.6 million) before making a huge jump from $2.9 million to $8.0 million in 2010. And in 2011, he will receive $11.8 million in salary instead of the $3.575 million that was in his original contract. In addition to the $4 million signing bonus, which adds an extra million dollars to the Saints cap hit for each of the remaining four years, Bush will still have the opportunity to earn $1.5 million in NLTBE bonuses. And he can earn $800,000 more in 2011. But all other NLTBE bonuses have been eliminated.
Instead, the team has put up $1.5 million in "Likely to be Earned Bonus" money for both the 2009 and 2010 seasons, and another $700,000 in 2011. All of that money hits the cap immediately when the contract year begins since it's assumed that the player will reach those goals.
But perhaps the most significant move by the team is the huge carrot they've dangled to encourage Bush to finally break out this year and become their featured back. The former USC Trojan is eligible for a whopping $4.5 million roster bonus prior to the start of the 2009 season, and then another $490,000 roster bonus prior to the start of the 2010 season.
So in the end, the team converted almost $18 million in NLTBE money into roughly $5 million in roster bonuses and approximately $13.7 million in salary. And they threw in a $4 million signing bonus to make it even more attractive. Other than the signing bonus, none of the rest of the money is guaranteed. But if Bush plays out the entire contract, he'll average $8.2 million over the four years.
For the 2008 season, Bush's salary cap hit goes up only $1 million dollars from $4.1 million to $5.1 million. But largely due to the huge roster bonus in 2009 plus the LTBE bonus money, his toll on the cap will jump roughly $7.4 million ($4.7 to $12.1) next year.
In 2010, the hit goes up by $8 million ($5.4 to $13.5) and, unless he has another new deal in place by then, his salary cap charge in 2011 will be almost $10 million higher than it was in his original contract ($6.1 to $16.0).
The team has given Bush all the incentive in the world to excel this season with the lure of a $4.5 million roster bonus awaiting early next year. They aren't likely to cut him loose in 2009 even if he disappoints this season, simply because he would still hit them for $10.5 million in prorated bonus money. That's too costly against the cap, even if they would spread it over two seasons by making him a June 1 cut.
But after that, all bets are off. The team has set themselves up to be able to release him before the 2010 season if he hasn't realized his potential. With just $7 million in prorated bonus money remaining on the contract, the team could release him and not only cover the loss, but come out ahead by roughly $3 million since he's scheduled to earn $8 million in salary, a $490,000 roster bonus and $1.5 million in LTBE bonus money that year.
You've got to admire the way the Saints worked out this deal. They're showing great confidence in their developing star by committing more up-front dollars to him now and by giving him a huge incentive in the form of the roster bonus. But they also gave themselves an easy — and cap-efficient — way out of this deal prior to the 2010 season if the circumstances warrant that decision.
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This truly his do or die year in NOLA. If disappointing 2010 FA's include Jerious Norwood, Willie Parker, and Lendale White. RFA- Pierre Thomas & LeRon McClain. Spiller, Clemson and Murray, Oklahoma are early '10 top draft RBs
While his salary stays the same in 2008, he'll see a marginal increase in 2009 ($2.2 million to $2.6 million) before making a huge jump from $2.9 million to $8.0 million in 2010. And in 2011, he will receive $11.8 million in salary instead of the $3.575 million that was in his original contract. In addition to the $4 million signing bonus, which adds an extra million dollars to the Saints cap hit for each of the remaining four years, Bush will still have the opportunity to earn $1.5 million in NLTBE bonuses. And he can earn $800,000 more in 2011. But all other NLTBE bonuses have been eliminated.
Instead, the team has put up $1.5 million in "Likely to be Earned Bonus" money for both the 2009 and 2010 seasons, and another $700,000 in 2011. All of that money hits the cap immediately when the contract year begins since it's assumed that the player will reach those goals.
But perhaps the most significant move by the team is the huge carrot they've dangled to encourage Bush to finally break out this year and become their featured back. The former USC Trojan is eligible for a whopping $4.5 million roster bonus prior to the start of the 2009 season, and then another $490,000 roster bonus prior to the start of the 2010 season.
So in the end, the team converted almost $18 million in NLTBE money into roughly $5 million in roster bonuses and approximately $13.7 million in salary. And they threw in a $4 million signing bonus to make it even more attractive. Other than the signing bonus, none of the rest of the money is guaranteed. But if Bush plays out the entire contract, he'll average $8.2 million over the four years.
For the 2008 season, Bush's salary cap hit goes up only $1 million dollars from $4.1 million to $5.1 million. But largely due to the huge roster bonus in 2009 plus the LTBE bonus money, his toll on the cap will jump roughly $7.4 million ($4.7 to $12.1) next year.
In 2010, the hit goes up by $8 million ($5.4 to $13.5) and, unless he has another new deal in place by then, his salary cap charge in 2011 will be almost $10 million higher than it was in his original contract ($6.1 to $16.0).
The team has given Bush all the incentive in the world to excel this season with the lure of a $4.5 million roster bonus awaiting early next year. They aren't likely to cut him loose in 2009 even if he disappoints this season, simply because he would still hit them for $10.5 million in prorated bonus money. That's too costly against the cap, even if they would spread it over two seasons by making him a June 1 cut.
But after that, all bets are off. The team has set themselves up to be able to release him before the 2010 season if he hasn't realized his potential. With just $7 million in prorated bonus money remaining on the contract, the team could release him and not only cover the loss, but come out ahead by roughly $3 million since he's scheduled to earn $8 million in salary, a $490,000 roster bonus and $1.5 million in LTBE bonus money that year.
You've got to admire the way the Saints worked out this deal. They're showing great confidence in their developing star by committing more up-front dollars to him now and by giving him a huge incentive in the form of the roster bonus. But they also gave themselves an easy — and cap-efficient — way out of this deal prior to the 2010 season if the circumstances warrant that decision.
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This truly his do or die year in NOLA. If disappointing 2010 FA's include Jerious Norwood, Willie Parker, and Lendale White. RFA- Pierre Thomas & LeRon McClain. Spiller, Clemson and Murray, Oklahoma are early '10 top draft RBs
This post was edited on 1/29/09 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/27/09 at 10:02 am to blueslover
No.
ETA: I didnt read what you typed it was wayyy to long but....
I love Pierre don't get me wrong. But if you Bush and Pierre together, (after drafting the beast that is my avatar, and moving JB back to RT, the holes will open up better. Reggie isn't a bust by far, hes a straight def. of homerun hitter, hes not a bruiser and he never has been one to go head up with a tackler, if u look in college he rarely did it there too so you had to see it coming in the pros. Now his injuries, thats something completely uncontrollable he's showing efforts of teamwork and work ethic and he was def improved from last yr b4 his injury, you don't lead the league in scoring by stinking the place up. You the man blueslover, love the threads, but this one i gotta disagree.
ETA: I didnt read what you typed it was wayyy to long but....
I love Pierre don't get me wrong. But if you Bush and Pierre together, (after drafting the beast that is my avatar, and moving JB back to RT, the holes will open up better. Reggie isn't a bust by far, hes a straight def. of homerun hitter, hes not a bruiser and he never has been one to go head up with a tackler, if u look in college he rarely did it there too so you had to see it coming in the pros. Now his injuries, thats something completely uncontrollable he's showing efforts of teamwork and work ethic and he was def improved from last yr b4 his injury, you don't lead the league in scoring by stinking the place up. You the man blueslover, love the threads, but this one i gotta disagree.
This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/27/09 at 10:21 am to Naturally Nawlins
quote:
ETA: I didnt read what you typed it was wayyy to long but....
I love Pierre don't get me wrong. But if you Bush and Pierre together, (after drafting the beast that is my avatar, and moving JB back to RT, the holes will open up better. Reggie isn't a bust by far, hes a straight def. of homerun hitter, hes not a bruiser and he never has been one to go head up with a tackler, if u look in college he rarely did it there too so you had to see it coming in the pros. Now his injuries, thats something completely uncontrollable he's showing efforts of teamwork and work ethic and he was def improved from last yr b4 his injury, you don't lead the league in scoring by stinking the place up. You the man blueslover, love the threads, but this one i gotta disagree.
first off, brown isnt going back to right tackle. he is a probowl left tackle, definitely top 10 in the league, arguably top 5. you dont just move him to right tackle for a rookie.
2nd, bush showed improvement after he was injured and took a secondary role. before his injury in the first 6 games he had 3.0 ypc and like 239 yards or something in 6 games. thats no t improvement that is the suck.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 10:22 am to diat150
he's a probowl right tackle also.... and hes not top 10.
ETA: also, in those first six games, how man td's did he have, oh right 7.... awful shitty he was the only reason we were even close to winning some of those games or else it would have been a blow out, what sucks is, if he does have an explosive year next year, people like you who hate him will be on his dick until he messes up again.
ETA: also, in those first six games, how man td's did he have, oh right 7.... awful shitty he was the only reason we were even close to winning some of those games or else it would have been a blow out, what sucks is, if he does have an explosive year next year, people like you who hate him will be on his dick until he messes up again.
This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/27/09 at 10:29 am to Naturally Nawlins
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I didnt read what you typed
uh, then you mistook what you didn't read. I'm simply trying to eliminate the Trade Bush rants cuz no way is it happening. If he doesn't measure up this year it might be sayonara but until then Go Reggie! Add Go Will Smith and Grant! too. They're the horses we are saddled to like it or not.
This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/27/09 at 10:31 am to blueslover
just read it and i take back what i said blueslover u the man!
and lets hope to god that williams gets the lead out of grant and smiths arse and they get back to being a good tandem
and lets hope to god that williams gets the lead out of grant and smiths arse and they get back to being a good tandem
This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/27/09 at 11:14 am to Naturally Nawlins
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he's a probowl right tackle also.... and hes not top 10.
no, he wasnt a probowl right tackle. he was damn good though. now please name me 10 better tackles than jammal brown. keep in mind he allowed 3 sacks and we have like the 2nd highest ypc in the league running at the left tackle despite suffering with bush's running for half of the year. and thats what you want to replace?
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ETA: also, in those first six games, how man td's did he have, oh right 7.... awful shitty he was the only reason we were even close to winning some of those games or else it would have been a blow out, what sucks is, if he does have an explosive year next year, people like you who hate him will be on his dick until he messes up again.
our offense gives rb's alot of opportunities to score(see pierre thomas who has more tds), that doesnt mean bush improved as a runner, cause he didnt. you may enjoy the company of a nother mans penis, but I dont.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 11:19 am to blueslover
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This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 1/27/09 at 11:35 am to ipodking
This thread is chock full of dumb.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 1:53 pm to blueslover
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Trade Reggie
Long but worth the read.
Good job.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 2:09 pm to adono
I think the title of this thread is bad.
FWIW, no way is he getting paid that much in 10 and 11. If we are keeping him, we are definitely signing a new contract after 09. IMHO, I think we should resign him. After this year will we know if he is a RB or WR. But we absolutely resign him for his receiving/YAC and returning ability.
FWIW, no way is he getting paid that much in 10 and 11. If we are keeping him, we are definitely signing a new contract after 09. IMHO, I think we should resign him. After this year will we know if he is a RB or WR. But we absolutely resign him for his receiving/YAC and returning ability.
This post was edited on 1/27/09 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/27/09 at 3:53 pm to blueslover
i love reggie bush. ( no homo ) i hope there's a day all saints fans support him.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 6:47 pm to alajones
quote:
FWIW, no way is he getting paid that much in 10 and 11. If we are keeping him, we are definitely signing a new contract after 09. IMHO, I think we should resign him. After this year will we know if he is a RB or WR. But we absolutely resign him for his receiving/YAC and returning ability.
He should be a WR and then come in to play RB on passing 3rd downs. He is big enough, fast enough, and has great hands. He should be a WR.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 8:42 pm to lsutiger2486
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He should be a WR and then come in to play RB on passing 3rd downs. He is big enough, fast enough, and has great hands. He should be a WR.
yep, he should get 5-ish carries a game. the guy just isnt a rb, when he has got the majority of the carries the running game has been horrible. end of last year stecker and thomas tore it up as starters. this year, thomas tore it up as a starter. guess what, if we go into next year with bush as the rb getting majority of the carries, the running game will suck again.
Posted on 1/27/09 at 8:44 pm to lsutiger2486
quote:
He should be a WR and then come in to play RB on passing 3rd downs. He is big enough, fast enough, and has great hands. He should be a WR.
i completely agree with this 100%
Posted on 1/27/09 at 11:38 pm to tmfrosch9
How bout if they at least used him on a wheel route a few times a game? I get tired of the bubble screens and as a checkoff. Fast and good hands- if Devery leaves he's an easy deep threat replacement more than how used now.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:29 am to diat150
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yep, he should get 5-ish carries a game. the guy just isnt a rb, when he has got the majority of the carries the running game has been horrible. end of last year stecker and thomas tore it up as starters. this year, thomas tore it up as a starter. guess what, if we go into next year with bush as the rb getting majority of the carries, the running game will suck again.
I've been saying this about Bush getting 5-7 carries per game for the better part of 2 years now.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:30 am to Naturally Nawlins
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Reggie isn't a bust by far, hes a straight def. of homerun hitter
He is the complete opposite of a homerun hitter on offense.
Please explain how Reggie is a "homerun hitter" in the running game.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 2:31 am to blueslover
quote:
If disappointing 2010 FA's include Jerious Norwood,
If Reggie doesnt turn the corner in the running game, or if we're not gonna use him properly as a slot WR, LOCK Norwood up, please!!!
I have no doubts that Norwood can do what Reggie hasn't been able to do in Sean Payton's offensive scheme. Just my take.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:55 am to shel311
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ETA: also, in those first six games, how man td's did he have, oh right 7....
2 by punt return. Face it the guy is not a running back and he isn't earning his money. There's a list of guys that could give us more. Simple fact is the team is better when he's hurt.
If you're in love with him, keep him as a WR and PR but the guy just doesn't love the Saints like you love him. He's not going to put his all into it and that's a fact.
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