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Needs going into the draft
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:19 pm
Over the last 2 weeks...we've signed these 3 players: WR Cameron Meredith, FB Zach Line, & LB Michael Mauti.
I'm talking about the needs for the 2018 season, so I'm not counting QB as a need.
QB - Not a need. Still might draft 1 in the 1st round for the future.
RB - #3 RB. Hopefully in rounds 4-6.
FB - Not a need.
WR - At this point...you have to assume that Snead will be playing here in 2018 for 1.907 mil. I think we already have 6 guys (Thomas, Ginn, Meredith, Snead, Tommylee, & Carr) that have a good chance of making the final 53. We still might add another guy in the draft if a target is BPA.
TE - I really don't see it as a need for 2018. I think TE will have to be BPA for us to draft one. I seriously doubt that we reach for one.
Interior OL - Tom & Bushrod are the only 2 backups. Definitely need an OC/OG in the top 4 rounds of the draft.
OT - We really need a #3 OT. Signing Austin Howard in F.A. would solve that problem. It would also save us a draft pick, b/c I'm assuming that we draft an OT if we strike out on Austin Howard.
K - Not a need.
P - Not a need.
LS - Not a need.
DE - I think this is a big need. Won't be a problem if Okafor is back to his old self, but I think it would be unwise to assume that he will be. We need a legit DE, so we won't be forced to play Rankins at DE.
DT - I think we'll be fine here if Rankins, Davison, & Onyemata can all stay healthy. I could also see us drafting a a DT at 27 though, b/c there are some really good options in the late 1st round.
LB - I don't see this as a 2018 need at all. 2019 is a different story though, so we might draft a guy if we take that into account.
CB - The more I think about it...this is a much bigger need than I originally thought. Lattimore, Crawley, & PRob are basically starters. The only backup with actual PT is PJ Williams. We have nothing after that, & we always have injuries at CB. Maulet, Hardee, & Sylve haven't proven shite. DeVante Harris has actually proven a lot...he's proven that he's horrible.
S - We have 2 legit Free Safeties (M. Williams & Coleman). Bell is a SS that is legit against the run, but we have no backup for him if he gets injured. Maybe Coleman can play his role, but I'm not sure.
6 biggest needs for 2018
-OT (if we don't sign Austin Howard)
-OC/OG - Immediate depth at OG, & Unger's replacement
-DE - Insurance for Okafor
-CB - Need a legit guy on the outside
-#3 RB (4th round or later)
-SS - Bell's backup (4th round or later)
I'm talking about the needs for the 2018 season, so I'm not counting QB as a need.
QB - Not a need. Still might draft 1 in the 1st round for the future.
RB - #3 RB. Hopefully in rounds 4-6.
FB - Not a need.
WR - At this point...you have to assume that Snead will be playing here in 2018 for 1.907 mil. I think we already have 6 guys (Thomas, Ginn, Meredith, Snead, Tommylee, & Carr) that have a good chance of making the final 53. We still might add another guy in the draft if a target is BPA.
TE - I really don't see it as a need for 2018. I think TE will have to be BPA for us to draft one. I seriously doubt that we reach for one.
Interior OL - Tom & Bushrod are the only 2 backups. Definitely need an OC/OG in the top 4 rounds of the draft.
OT - We really need a #3 OT. Signing Austin Howard in F.A. would solve that problem. It would also save us a draft pick, b/c I'm assuming that we draft an OT if we strike out on Austin Howard.
K - Not a need.
P - Not a need.
LS - Not a need.
DE - I think this is a big need. Won't be a problem if Okafor is back to his old self, but I think it would be unwise to assume that he will be. We need a legit DE, so we won't be forced to play Rankins at DE.
DT - I think we'll be fine here if Rankins, Davison, & Onyemata can all stay healthy. I could also see us drafting a a DT at 27 though, b/c there are some really good options in the late 1st round.
LB - I don't see this as a 2018 need at all. 2019 is a different story though, so we might draft a guy if we take that into account.
CB - The more I think about it...this is a much bigger need than I originally thought. Lattimore, Crawley, & PRob are basically starters. The only backup with actual PT is PJ Williams. We have nothing after that, & we always have injuries at CB. Maulet, Hardee, & Sylve haven't proven shite. DeVante Harris has actually proven a lot...he's proven that he's horrible.
S - We have 2 legit Free Safeties (M. Williams & Coleman). Bell is a SS that is legit against the run, but we have no backup for him if he gets injured. Maybe Coleman can play his role, but I'm not sure.
6 biggest needs for 2018
-OT (if we don't sign Austin Howard)
-OC/OG - Immediate depth at OG, & Unger's replacement
-DE - Insurance for Okafor
-CB - Need a legit guy on the outside
-#3 RB (4th round or later)
-SS - Bell's backup (4th round or later)
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:30 pm
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:26 pm to GMoney2600
WR or TE
OL
DT or DE or both
CB
OL
DT or DE or both
CB
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:32 pm to GMoney2600
I don’t feel that RB 3 is an issue that needs addressing. Lasco was a great back coming out of college and I think he’s an NFL caliber back. He has the frame to stack on 10-15 more pounds and put himself in the 220-225 range which is nice size for an NFL RB 3.
Biggest needs are TE, LB, and Pass Rushers...
Biggest needs are TE, LB, and Pass Rushers...
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:37 pm to GMoney2600
Going down the line
Offense:
TE > OL > WR > RB > QB
- Need a TE to groom
- Need a backup OL: Unger is up after the 2019 season and he will be 34. Armstead is a 50/50 shot at staying healthy over a full season. We should plan ahead
- Need another legitimate WR threat: Snead had 2 phenomenal seasons, but he showed how putrid he could be last year. Meredith has a questionable health concern now with his torn ACL. Ginn is getting up there in age. Maybe not this year, but next year it will be a must
- Need a #3 RB for short yardage or to take the touches when game is over. I do not want to risk Ingram/Kamara if we do not have to
- Backup QB/future QB is a luxury but it all depends on how the team views it
Defense
DE > DT > LB > SS > CB
- DE is an ABSOLUTE need, case closed.
- DT, our rotation is solid but not spectacular. An upgrade is possible and if Philly taught us anything, more pass rushers who can play DT or DE, the better.
- As much as I like Anzalone, his health is questionable. Davis is our only true 3-down LB, I'd like to add another if there is one
- Bell is who he is, Coleman had a horrible season but 2 above average previously. Maybe health really was bad, but you gotta plan ahead right?
- We're locked in with Lattimore-Crawley-Robinson for the near future.
Offense:
TE > OL > WR > RB > QB
- Need a TE to groom
- Need a backup OL: Unger is up after the 2019 season and he will be 34. Armstead is a 50/50 shot at staying healthy over a full season. We should plan ahead
- Need another legitimate WR threat: Snead had 2 phenomenal seasons, but he showed how putrid he could be last year. Meredith has a questionable health concern now with his torn ACL. Ginn is getting up there in age. Maybe not this year, but next year it will be a must
- Need a #3 RB for short yardage or to take the touches when game is over. I do not want to risk Ingram/Kamara if we do not have to
- Backup QB/future QB is a luxury but it all depends on how the team views it
Defense
DE > DT > LB > SS > CB
- DE is an ABSOLUTE need, case closed.
- DT, our rotation is solid but not spectacular. An upgrade is possible and if Philly taught us anything, more pass rushers who can play DT or DE, the better.
- As much as I like Anzalone, his health is questionable. Davis is our only true 3-down LB, I'd like to add another if there is one
- Bell is who he is, Coleman had a horrible season but 2 above average previously. Maybe health really was bad, but you gotta plan ahead right?
- We're locked in with Lattimore-Crawley-Robinson for the near future.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:38 pm to TDcline
Dude, Lasco was on the PS last year. Edmunds & Jonathan Williams haven't proven anything either. I wouldn't be surprised if 1 of these guys develop into a #3 this year, but I'm not sure how you can assume that will happen.
You can definitely make a case for TE, LB, & pass rushers. I still think backup O-Line is our biggest current need. I mean, Cameron Tom & Bushrod are our only 2 backups. That's a complete joke & Ramczyk was our only O-Lineman that was healthy for the entire year in 2017.
You can definitely make a case for TE, LB, & pass rushers. I still think backup O-Line is our biggest current need. I mean, Cameron Tom & Bushrod are our only 2 backups. That's a complete joke & Ramczyk was our only O-Lineman that was healthy for the entire year in 2017.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:49 pm to GMoney2600
Lasco was on the practice squad last year largely because we started out with about 100 running backs on the roster.
Once AP was traded, we had too many injuries to bring him up off the PS with Ingram and Kamara both healthy and doing so well. He’s a good player. We just had way too many injuries last year.
Once AP was traded, we had too many injuries to bring him up off the PS with Ingram and Kamara both healthy and doing so well. He’s a good player. We just had way too many injuries last year.
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:55 pm to TDcline
Hopefully it works out with Lasco. I had high hopes for him after he was drafted.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 12:01 am to GMoney2600
Need
DE - no explanation needed. We should address very early in the draft ideally at 27 if value is there.
OG/C - Losing Kelemete was a big hit as everyone knows. With Unger aging and Peat's status to start the season uncertain, it would be a great chance to invest early in the draft for a potential temporary day 1 starter and long term solution for C.
3rd RB - Need a RB with an explosive passing game skill set as Kamara insurance. Mark Ingram downhill style runners are a bit more common and can be injury replaced via bargain bin UDFA or FA during the season if needed albeit with a drop off in production. ideal 4th-5th round investment.
CB - only effective outside CBs on the roster are Lattimore and Crawley. Robinson and Williams have struggled mightily when placed out there. We need a guy who can at least be average on the outside which is why it hurts that Breaux was cut and/or never recovered. If either Crawley or Lattimore go down we don't have the depth to support that loss.
Wants
WR - I love the 4 WRs we have at the top of the depth chart assuming Snead is retained. With Ginn's age however and him being our only speedster I would like to add 1 in the draft as well.
Every other position specifically TE, LB, DT, S, etc. are positions that can be upgraded but the Saints are in a decent position with what they have at the moment.
DE - no explanation needed. We should address very early in the draft ideally at 27 if value is there.
OG/C - Losing Kelemete was a big hit as everyone knows. With Unger aging and Peat's status to start the season uncertain, it would be a great chance to invest early in the draft for a potential temporary day 1 starter and long term solution for C.
3rd RB - Need a RB with an explosive passing game skill set as Kamara insurance. Mark Ingram downhill style runners are a bit more common and can be injury replaced via bargain bin UDFA or FA during the season if needed albeit with a drop off in production. ideal 4th-5th round investment.
CB - only effective outside CBs on the roster are Lattimore and Crawley. Robinson and Williams have struggled mightily when placed out there. We need a guy who can at least be average on the outside which is why it hurts that Breaux was cut and/or never recovered. If either Crawley or Lattimore go down we don't have the depth to support that loss.
Wants
WR - I love the 4 WRs we have at the top of the depth chart assuming Snead is retained. With Ginn's age however and him being our only speedster I would like to add 1 in the draft as well.
Every other position specifically TE, LB, DT, S, etc. are positions that can be upgraded but the Saints are in a decent position with what they have at the moment.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 12:05 am to GMoney2600
quote:
I still think backup O-Line is our biggest current need
Depth is a definite need, but backup needs are not priority. I’d say that true needs should qualify for starting positions, which one could argue for DE (we have no idea how Okafor’s return is shaping up) > Te > Wr > LB (Klein Was the 2nd worst OLB in the NFL and returning from a thigh muscle injury that tore from bone).
Posted on 4/17/18 at 12:42 am to TDcline
quote:I agree with this part. Lasco can be a good backup and there is always someone on the market to grab. We clearly arent using a first or third on a rb. And imo, once you get to the fifth round and on, the value of wasting a draft pick on a late rb vs grabbing depth at OL or DL clearly favors the latter.
I don’t feel that RB 3 is an issue that needs addressing. Lasco was a great back
Posted on 4/17/18 at 12:59 am to Ryan3232
quote:
And imo, once you get to the fifth round and on, the value of wasting a draft pick on a late rb vs grabbing depth at OL or DL clearly favors the latter.
Yea, if you hit on the OL/DL pick. The hit rate on RB's (from the 5th round & later) is much higher than OL or DL.
Late round picks on OL & DL are usually projects. You can get a damn good RB in the 5th round of every draft. Obviously, if the 5th round OL/DL was guaranteed to hit...I'd take the OL/DL over the RB all day.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 1:05 am to GMoney2600
I mean more the value of the posistion to our need.
Edit: it all depend on what we draft in the 1, 3, and 4.
Edit: it all depend on what we draft in the 1, 3, and 4.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 1:06 am
Posted on 4/17/18 at 1:35 am to Ryan3232
I can agree with that. You're definitely not wrong.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:51 am to GMoney2600
3Tech, Pass rusher, TE, OL, future QB are our only big needs. Rankins needs help up the middle. Onyemata and Davison are good for depth but not starters. Okafor is good but not a great pass rusher to help Jordan. Fleener is gone after this season. And Watson will retire after the season Hill is only remaining TE after so TE is biggest need. OL is a only a need for depth. No starters. QB is a need if we can get the right guy at the right nime. LBs are some what deep this year. And corner is good but could add more and safety is just fine how it is.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:16 am to GMoney2600
I’m a fan of drafting the highest player on your board, especially at 27
I’d rather they draft the 2nd highest WR on their board if they think he’s a difference maker as opposed to their 5th highest DE bc they need one
I’d rather they draft the 2nd highest WR on their board if they think he’s a difference maker as opposed to their 5th highest DE bc they need one
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:00 am to SaintLSUnAtl
quote:In a vacuum, that's a great thought. But we can score 30 pts with the personnel we have. We have to be able to stop someone. As much as Kamara made the offense exciting, the real key was the defensive improvements last year. If we can bump the defense up another notch, we're Super Bowl ready.
I’m a fan of drafting the highest player on your board, especially at 27
I’d rather they draft the 2nd highest WR on their board if they think he’s a difference maker as opposed to their 5th highest DE bc they need one
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:14 am to GMoney2600
Op list seems logical.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:24 am to GMoney2600
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:31 am to Scoob
Thats why i want a freak pass rusher. He doesnt have to do anything else
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:57 am to GMoney2600
The need for a DT and DE will likely mean we try to trade back with someone to pick up a 2nd. Don’t see us waiting until 91 to get a DT/DE...
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