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re: Mike Freeman: it's believed a handful of teams are preparing offers for Graham.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:25 pm to htran90
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:25 pm to htran90
I'm lukewarm on this.
I'll wait to see what the offer is and the team that wants to sign him, as I'm sure the Saints will do. If its a team with a top 12 draft pick, and they are offering 10 mill or more, i'm fine with letting him walk.
I'm hesitant because we have a tendency to screw up first round draft picks, so getting 2 isn't very much of a guarantee we will get back what we lose in Graham.
I'll wait to see what the offer is and the team that wants to sign him, as I'm sure the Saints will do. If its a team with a top 12 draft pick, and they are offering 10 mill or more, i'm fine with letting him walk.
I'm hesitant because we have a tendency to screw up first round draft picks, so getting 2 isn't very much of a guarantee we will get back what we lose in Graham.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:32 pm to josh336
Kenny Vaccaro and Cam Jordan were colossal failures. 
You have to perform due diligence. And we can't make emotional decisions. Bad organizations make emotional decisions rather than thought out decisions.
I would imagine that the Saints have a dollar amount that they're comfortable with regarding Jimmy, especially because they have to sign other free agents (either our own or from elsewhere) this year. So if someone comes up with an offer sheet that is over that limit, then so be it. Move on and continue to improve the team.
You have to perform due diligence. And we can't make emotional decisions. Bad organizations make emotional decisions rather than thought out decisions.
I would imagine that the Saints have a dollar amount that they're comfortable with regarding Jimmy, especially because they have to sign other free agents (either our own or from elsewhere) this year. So if someone comes up with an offer sheet that is over that limit, then so be it. Move on and continue to improve the team.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:34 pm to Sophandros
Not saying they didnt have a couple gems, but, theyve had quite a few first round failures as well
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:39 pm to josh336
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Not saying they didnt have a couple gems, but, theyve had quite a few first round failures as well
true. All projects though --> Jenkins was a FS/CB hybrid, P Rob was an undersized man to man corner that we put in a zone scheme in 2012.
I think it is harder to go wrong if you pick someone who has 1 true position and is already polished at it on defense. This year's draft is loaded with top talent
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:39 pm to Sophandros
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And you keep Jenkins as the third safety/nickel corner (basically his role when rapist was running back pick sixes) and the pass defense is a lot better.
and arguably his best spot in a defense.
you got me on board.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:41 pm to htran90
I'm just saying that IF we have to lose Jimmy, the world isn't over. There are other options and we COULD find a way to be better.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:42 pm to htran90
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and arguably his best spot in a defense.
you got me on board.
he wasn't very good at it in 09 actually and didn't start playing until injuries in the 2nd half of the season.
He played his best ball in 2010 in place of Darren Sharper. I thought he was going to be a centerpiece after that year
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:44 pm to The Cool No 9
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For depth? Colston and Moore are still doing pretty good right
Moore is irrelevant at this point and Colston is old. Meachem is terrible and Morgan is an uknown.
So we basically have Colston and Stills as good receivers right now.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:47 pm to TigerBait1127
He made a lot of plays in the slot in 2009. Ask Wes Welker, for example.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:47 pm to Sophandros
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I'm just saying that IF we have to lose Jimmy, the world isn't over. There are other options and we COULD find a way to be better.
originally I was content on cap space to resign offensive players (I assumed Byrd would get tagged/deal). If he's all fair game, this defense could be on par with SF/SEA for the remaining brees years
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:50 pm to Sophandros
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He made a lot of plays in the slot in 2009. Ask Wes Welker, for example.
NE and TB are the only 2 games where he rated as a positive agains the pass according to PFF. He was great in the NE game
He only had 7 snaps against the cardinals and didn't play against the vikings (injury??)
QB's had a 104.7 rating against him and completed 69% of their passes
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:50 pm to htran90
Look at where our youth currently resides on this roster. It's the defense. Now, if they can improve on that a bit and continue to be a strength of the team, then our offensive playcalling can shift a little bit, which might add a year or two to Brees's career. That's key because we might need the extra year or two in our SB window because of the ascendancy of SF, SEA, and (yes) CAR.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:52 pm to TigerBait1127
Don't cite PFF to me. I'm not one of their biggest fans.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:54 pm to Sophandros
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Don't cite PFF to me. I'm not one of their biggest fans.
You can't really dispute QB rating and completion % stats. He was abused against Dallas
He wasn't an effective corner for us. He got beat a good bit and played much better at FS the next season.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:56 pm to TigerBait1127
You need to adjust when a player is playing in the slot vs. out wide vs. at FS. There is also the question of whether he was playing zone or man on the plays when the pass was thrown.
Context is lacking, which is one of my biggest issues with PFF. They lump all corners together and don't account for zone/man, slot/wide, etc.
Jenkins wasn't good as a BOUNDRY corner for us, but he was more than effective for us in the slot/nickel role.
Context is lacking, which is one of my biggest issues with PFF. They lump all corners together and don't account for zone/man, slot/wide, etc.
Jenkins wasn't good as a BOUNDRY corner for us, but he was more than effective for us in the slot/nickel role.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:56 pm to TigerBait1127
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Moore is irrelevant at this point and Colston is old. Meachem is terrible and Morgan is an uknown.
So we basically have Colston and Stills as good receivers right now.
Best case scenario. Trade JG to oakland for their #1 and another pick next year. Clears 10-12mil cap space to use.
WR: Get in a true #1 this year that can come in and play right away (assuming watkins), colston becomes a #2 and dominates most #2CB on teams, and stills becomes your #3. Moore/Meachem/Morgan as your #4/5. Your WR corp still produce mismatches because colston is no longer your #1, but he can surely whoop #2/#3 db asses. Stills gets a full offseason in to work with brees, morgan/meachem/moore still produces that 400-600yards per season you want. You're still relatively loaded at receiver, check.
TE: Watson, Hill, and maybe draft ebron/amaro/jenkins with our late #1 if dennard, gilbert, clinton-dix, pryor, or verrett is too much of a reach at #27.
OL: Sign strief to a team friendly 3yr deal, draft a center in round 3-4. Assuming that center is better than DLP, you pick up where they left off.
RB: PT/Sproles/Ingram/Khiry - better line play meant their production overall went upwards. If necessary (say PT gets cut), ingram as your main RB, sproles as your change of pace, and khiry as your hammer (similar to bell back in the day).
QB: Still set with brees/RG4
DL: Set, no one leaves
CB: get a CB in round 2, lewis, white, prob, and jenkins as your nickel/back up safety.
S: Add Byrd, Vaccaro makes his 2nd year leap, Bush, and jenkins spotting.
LB: Lofton, Hawthorne, Haralson, and Butler. addition with Butler can only make the team better since you won't have to play herring.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:57 pm to Sophandros
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Context is lacking, which is one of my biggest issues with PFF. They lump all corners together and don't account for zone/man, slot/wide, etc.
actually, they do those breakdowns weekly
Jenkins had a 97.3 QB rating against him in the slot, which put him as 11th worst in the NFL for players with over 25% snaps.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:58 pm to TigerBait1127
I've not seen it, and from what I HAVE seen from them, their analysis lacks rigor and I've found it to be extremely lacking.
They're more interested in making a quick judgement than putting in the real work.
Just my opinion.
They're more interested in making a quick judgement than putting in the real work.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:00 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Burn.
Jenkins had a 97.3 QB rating against him in the slot, which put him as 11th worst in the NFL for players with over 25% snaps.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:03 pm to Hoodoo Man
And if the top player was at a 90 QB rating?
Again, without context this is meaningless noise.
Again, without context this is meaningless noise.
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