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re: Mike Freeman: it's believed a handful of teams are preparing offers for Graham.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 4:54 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/5/14 at 4:54 pm to TigerBait1127
Last few weeks we have learned much about JG that for some reason the Saints FO, Loomis, Brees and CSP just have not figured out.
1. Jimmy is soft playing football.
2. Jimmy is greedy playing football.
3. Jimmy doesn't always put out max effort.
4. Jimmy has alligator arms.
5. Jimmy is injury prone.
6. Jimmy will be a dick and f@ck his team mates over by not playing at 100% when he gets his big payday.
7. Jimmy sucks going over the middle.
Lets all pray that the Saints braintrust reads all these post on JG and see the light that has so far alluded these highly paid professionals.
1. Jimmy is soft playing football.
2. Jimmy is greedy playing football.
3. Jimmy doesn't always put out max effort.
4. Jimmy has alligator arms.
5. Jimmy is injury prone.
6. Jimmy will be a dick and f@ck his team mates over by not playing at 100% when he gets his big payday.
7. Jimmy sucks going over the middle.
Lets all pray that the Saints braintrust reads all these post on JG and see the light that has so far alluded these highly paid professionals.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 4:58 pm to goatmilker
My only complaint about Jimmy really is his willing to block and is he soft sometimes(I might be wrong about this one).
Posted on 3/5/14 at 5:00 pm to goatmilker
quote:
Last few weeks we have learned much about JG that for some reason the Saints FO, Loomis, Brees and CSP just have not figured out.
1. Jimmy is soft playing football.
2. Jimmy is greedy playing football.
3. Jimmy doesn't always put out max effort.
4. Jimmy has alligator arms.
5. Jimmy is injury prone.
6. Jimmy will be a dick and f@ck his team mates over by not playing at 100% when he gets his big payday.
7. Jimmy sucks going over the middle.
Lets all pray that the Saints braintrust reads all these post on JG and see the light that has so far alluded these highly paid professionals.
honestly, only two legitimate claims.
He definitely didn't play as hard and began to alligator arm after becoming a pretzel against SF.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:19 pm to Patrick O Rly
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It's not the picks I'm enamored with, although it would be nice. It's the cap space in combination with the picks I'd really love. I'd rather have Graham than not have him, but I just don't see how it's going to be good for us long term to be paying two top contracts on offense, even with the cap rising over the next two years.
This is the only scenario I'd think it would be beneficial to lose Graham. We could be a better, all around team with the extra picks and cap space.
Of course, if no one bites, the next best scenario is a long term deal,
This, word for word.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:19 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Could also get Sammy Watkins with the 5th pick.
Had to type this with my boner due to lack of blood at my other extremeties.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:34 pm to FootballNostradamus
Just got done for the day. Any other information in these 8 pages besides the op?
And 6 top 2 Rd picks+cap space is boner worthy over next 2 years. Our offense can easily find another young guy early to be productive. Not necessarily dominant, but easily good enough.
And 6 top 2 Rd picks+cap space is boner worthy over next 2 years. Our offense can easily find another young guy early to be productive. Not necessarily dominant, but easily good enough.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:35 pm to Patrick O Rly
Cleveland has 2 first round picks this year, right? or is it another team I'm thinking of.
Is this talking about two first round picks-- in this year's draft? IE we end up with 3 first round picks this year?
If so, then deal him so we can draft a guard, tackle, and linebacker. Just not another RB or WR, please lord no. (or safety if Roman Harper leaves)
Disclaimer this is definitely not going to be a fair weather fan-friendly trade if this goes down so prepare for the bitching, everyone.
Is this talking about two first round picks-- in this year's draft? IE we end up with 3 first round picks this year?
If so, then deal him so we can draft a guard, tackle, and linebacker. Just not another RB or WR, please lord no. (or safety if Roman Harper leaves)
Disclaimer this is definitely not going to be a fair weather fan-friendly trade if this goes down so prepare for the bitching, everyone.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:37 pm to The Cool No 9
We kind of desperately need some new wide receivers dude.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:41 pm to St Augustine
For depth? Colston and Moore are still doing pretty good right
And hopefully Ben Watson steps up and has a better 2014
And hopefully Ben Watson steps up and has a better 2014
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:41 pm to Hoodoo Man
As long as a pick is before the saints pick or a pick that could land us Watkins. There is some decent under the radar tight end in free agency that drew could make a beast.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:43 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
Wow, thinking about it I guess we could use another one. I'm not used to the Saints ever having this problem.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:47 pm to goatmilker
quote:This one's legit. Not saying I blame him after some of the hits he's taken though.
4. Jimmy has alligator arms.
And I definitely would not call him soft, but he needs to start manhandling these smaller guys(instead of vice versa) and work on his blocking a lot more.
It's a shame after 4 years he has barely progressed as a blocker. I gave him slack at first because he was new to the game on a high level, but with his size and athleticism he should be plowing guys over.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:54 pm to St Augustine
quote:
We kind of desperately need some new wide receivers dude.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:55 pm to The Cool No 9
quote:If a team signs away Graham we get their original first(not one they got in a trade) this year and next year.
Is this talking about two first round picks-- in this year's draft?
If they don't have a first this year, we get one in 2015 and 2016.
Now if it's a trade anything goes but we won't be getting 2 firsts that way.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:01 pm to Big Sway
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Saints are setting the market for JG. Good or bad it is what it is, not who it is.
No they aren't.
The league is by designating the value of the tag. Other teams will further set the market by signing him to an offer sheet or declining to sign him to an offer sheet.
In the meantime the Saints will continue to negotiate with him.
There isn't much more to it than this.
Now, IF Buffalo were to sign him to an offer sheet for a lot of money, I think that the Saints should let him go and try to pursue Byrd, with whom they can pair Vaccaro to make our defense more formidable.
But that's not a bridge that we would need to cross unless and until we get there.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:58 pm to Bear Is Dead
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I will be shocked if there is more than one team that is willing to give this up.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:08 pm to Sophandros
The question I was thinking:
Without graham, will we be above average on offense (assuming we get at least an additional first rounder this year and that results in either Watkins or another 'ready' WR)?
The answer is still yes. As long as brees and that line stays strong, there is no reason to believe that we can't still produce above average results.
With Byrd, do we have a top 4 defense still? Yes, PLUS the leap in turnovers from our late 20s to at least top 15.
Do we get better as a team with graham (assuming 11mil/yr) or with byrd (assuming 9mil/yr), a couple extra million, and an additional 1st rounder?
Without graham, will we be above average on offense (assuming we get at least an additional first rounder this year and that results in either Watkins or another 'ready' WR)?
The answer is still yes. As long as brees and that line stays strong, there is no reason to believe that we can't still produce above average results.
With Byrd, do we have a top 4 defense still? Yes, PLUS the leap in turnovers from our late 20s to at least top 15.
Do we get better as a team with graham (assuming 11mil/yr) or with byrd (assuming 9mil/yr), a couple extra million, and an additional 1st rounder?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:10 pm to htran90
That's where I'm going with this hypothetical. I think that we are because I think that our offense will evolve in a manner similar to what the Pats have done, with or without Jimmy.
But if we have to lose Jimmy, then bolstering our defense and having a little bit more cap space should make us a bit better.
But if we have to lose Jimmy, then bolstering our defense and having a little bit more cap space should make us a bit better.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:21 pm to Sophandros
Agreed,
Who would have bet that if brees throws 2 picks and it was our running game carries us to a victory in philly? No one I'm sure.
the scenario I'm going with is that: brees throws 4k yards, 30tds, 10 ints, but our run game produces top 10...We'd be really deadly with a top 5 defense that goes with a top 10 turnover defense.
Opportunistic defense won us a championship, but we leaked a whole ton of yards and had to put up a lot of points still.
How about an opportunistic defense, that can shut down teams (sounds like seattle yet?), but can throw better than seattle did, and almost run just as well. That's where this team should go towards imo.
If you add Butler back in and assume between him, parys, junior, and cam they add up to 35 sacks (I mean 28 from 3 of them this year), that'd be a damn problem for other teams. Give us a real FS that has a knack for turnovers (5 seasons: 22 picks, 11 FFs) we're going to be damn hard to beat.
Who would have bet that if brees throws 2 picks and it was our running game carries us to a victory in philly? No one I'm sure.
the scenario I'm going with is that: brees throws 4k yards, 30tds, 10 ints, but our run game produces top 10...We'd be really deadly with a top 5 defense that goes with a top 10 turnover defense.
Opportunistic defense won us a championship, but we leaked a whole ton of yards and had to put up a lot of points still.
How about an opportunistic defense, that can shut down teams (sounds like seattle yet?), but can throw better than seattle did, and almost run just as well. That's where this team should go towards imo.
If you add Butler back in and assume between him, parys, junior, and cam they add up to 35 sacks (I mean 28 from 3 of them this year), that'd be a damn problem for other teams. Give us a real FS that has a knack for turnovers (5 seasons: 22 picks, 11 FFs) we're going to be damn hard to beat.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:25 pm to htran90
And you keep Jenkins as the third safety/nickel corner (basically his role when rapist was running back pick sixes) and the pass defense is a lot better.
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