re: Let's Discuss if Mark Ingram hits free agency this year

Let him fly they got enough good running backs coming in the draft

He hasn't been a top 5 back for the past 2-3 years . the original statement. At no point in time prior to this year would anyone outside of a saints fan forum have considered him a top 5 back. He's a top 5 back this year.

Is that moving the goal posts ? I understand if you don't agree with my opinion, but I didn't change my arguement

Agree to disagree with each other's opinions on Ingram; I have no problem with that.
Hope he's able to play tomorrow and continues run like a beast.

He’s not a top 5 back, but he’s top 10. I’d like to keep him around. This RB duo is special. Kamara is just starting his career while have very little tread on the tires thanks to Butch Jones. Ingram also doesn’t have a lot of tread. He can produce at a high level another 3+ seasons.

So you can't actually name 5 better from 2015-2017?

Got it

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Is he retroactively right now a top 5 wr this year? Not in my opinion 

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But David Johnson was on your list...

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Weird hypothetical but maybe that will help explain to you what I am getting at.

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You're not making some profound argument. Everyone gets it, it's not the original debate though.

Name 5 better from 2015-today, which is what the original debate was.

How can this be any clearer? You had to intentionally ignore that again in response to my last post

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Looks like there are clearly different ways to interpret
" like he's been past 2-3 years" in the OP.
When I read that my first thought is that he was certainly not a top 5 back a couple years ago.
If you combine stats over that time there's a case to be made because of how well he has played this year.

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Ignoring rookies from 2016 because it seems the 2015 and 2016 seasons are what people are basing off of those are your top 5.

Personally, I can't realistically say Gurley was better. He was very lacluster last year and the biggest issue I had with watching him was his seeming lack of vision last year as opposed to his rookie year.

Yardage, they're both very similar but efficiency its Ingram's.

The other 4 like I said I'd agree with.

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I don't think we'll be competing by the time he's 30+ anyway tbh so it might not matter

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Going to put this out there for your consideration:

John Elway, 1st ballot HOF QB, brilliant passing efforts early in his career.
Won 2 Superbowls, both at the end of his career, when he was the 'crafty veteran QB/coach on the field', with a power running offense and a strong defense.

Drew Brees, certain 1st ballot HOF QB, brilliant numbers every season. 1 Superbowl a few years ago, on coincidentally the best running team he's been on here.
Ingram and Kamara, with the O-line we have now, are becoming the best 1-2 tandem in the league. Thunder and Lightning has been taken, but it fits them perfectly. Our defense has improved exponentially, with possibly the best corner and DE in the league.
Brees knows this offense well enough to line up no-huddle and run probably the entire playbook, not just a few audibles. He knows how to put Ingram and Kamara into good situations, and he's still good enough to beat you if they get stuffed (assuming anyone can stuff them).

I see at least 3 yrs of Brees still being a viable Superbowl QB, if the running game remains beast and the defense doesn't collapse. We need to make this team so that he doesn't have to throw for 5000 yds. It's currently what it should be. If Ingram wants market value and he isn't declining (and I think he's actually getting better), pay him. We can save money when Brees and the gang retire, and we drop back into the pack. But right now, we have the formula for a strong couple of seasons, and we should maximize that.

He's only had 1 elite season

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He hasn't been a top 5 back for the past 2-3 years

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The numbers disagree with you. You choose only total yards to hang your hat on, because it's the only way you can make your case. You're a hack, and frankly ans especially stupid one at that,

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Good counter-point
How many "elite" seasons has Ingram had?
0.75?


I guess that would be not applying your own logic to your argument?

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What argument have I made? That's literally been my argument....

There you go moving the posts again


But since you're the one who argued for production, Ingram is averaging ~5 ypc in the 2015-2017 window. Is there any qualifying back (a back with significant carries) that beats that in the 3 year window?

I wouldn't argue that Ingram was a top 5 back in 2015 or 2016. I'd argue he's top 3 this season. However, unlike most backs, he's been widely available and consistently good in that same window. That alone, along with this season, puts him up there.

You disqualified Ingram based on that single season criteria, yet hyped of Johnson who has been less consistent (due to injury). That's hypocritical