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Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:33 am to
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:33 am to
Again, Dalton wasn’t under contract and would cost much more.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 5:34 am to
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Again, Dalton wasn’t under contract and would cost much more.




Fully aware. But I am still allowed to have preferences between the two.


ETA: Oh so NOOOOOWWWWW we're worried about the salary cap.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 6:10 am
Posted by whodat22
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 6:20 am to
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Agreed. Dalton has shown he does a better job in the role of managing an offense to keep it's head above water...which is what you want in a backup.


Wrong again
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 6:28 am to
we've already had this fight and there isn't one single metric you can point to other than "nuh uhhhhh".

Winston is dogshit and has a long history of turning over the ball. Dalton showed us last year he can manage the offense. Note: Manage =/= offense operating at a high level. Manage = ball control, run the clock, don't lose the game for us.

For a backup QB, this is exactly what you want with idea of your starting QB only being out for a brief period or a few weeks. Dalton was top 10 in completion % and passer rating last season.

I realize you've attached too much of your credibility to Team Winston but people typically have short memories and will eventually forget that you jumped off that wagon like the vast majority of this board.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 6:31 am
Posted by whodat22
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 6:50 am to
Dalton showed us last year he can turn the ball over and lose games just like Winston. I'm not defending Winston but Dalton is no better. Dalton did NOTHING to win any ball game last year.
Posted by Townedrunkard
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:03 am to
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Dalton showed us last year he can turn the ball over and lose games just like Winston. I'm not defending Winston but Dalton is no better. Dalton did NOTHING to win any ball game last year.


Dalton had us up in multiple games early in the year and the defense collapsed in the 2nd half costing us wins. Namely the Vikings and bengals games off the top of my head. What are you talking about?

At least one nfl gm disagrees with you, b/c Dalton is likely to at least start off the season as a starter. Not one team gave Winston a shot to even compete for a starters job.
This post was edited on 3/17/23 at 8:06 am
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:19 am to
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Dalton showed us last year he can turn the ball over and lose games just like Winston.


Dalton: 14 games
9 INTs
3 Fumbles

Winston: 3 games
5 INTs
2 Fumbles


so once again.....you're fricking wrong.

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Dalton did NOTHING to win any ball game last year.


Your reading comprehension skills are complete dick.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 8:21 am to
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Dalton had us up in multiple games early in the year and the defense collapsed in the 2nd half costing us wins. Namely the Vikings and bengals games off the top of my head. What are you talking about?


Can't remember which game but Dalton DID lead the offense three different times down the field into scoring position in the 4th quarter. One of those times AK fumbled inside the 5 and the other had BOTH Hill and Johnson try to catch touchdown passes off their facemasks. Dalton carried the offense that quarter and the rest of the team took a giant shite on the field.
Posted by paulbeasy
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Posted on 3/17/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Winston is dogshit and has a long history of turning over the ball. Dalton showed us last year he can manage the offense.


Winston resigning was huge for us. His cap hit was atrocious if he left. And Dalton is not better than JW. Maybe equal if anything.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:47 am to
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Winston resigning was huge for us. His cap hit was atrocious if he left.


Yeah I’m fine with it considering we needed the space.

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And Dalton is not better than JW. Maybe equal if anything.


Once again.

Dalton: 14 games
9 INTs
3 Fumbles

Winston: 3 games
5 INTs
2 Fumbles
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:56 am to
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Dalton had us up in multiple games early in the year and the defense collapsed in the 2nd half costing us wins


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bengal games off the top of my head


I'm so sick of your bad revisionist history. In the Bengals game he led the offense to 6 fricking points in the 2nd half. Chance to kill the game and get a first down and went 3 and out. Chance to win the game with 2 mins left? Turnover on downs. The defense was partly to blame, but Dalton choked in the 2nd half of that game.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:03 am to
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Dalton: 14 games
9 INTs
3 Fumbles

Winston: 3 games
5 INTs
2 Fumbles


Jameis two lowest scoring games:
10 pts
14 pts

Daltons two lowest scoring games:
0 pts
7 pts

We can cherry pick all day to make Dalton look like the worst qb too. I know injuries don't count for Jameis so we'll ignore two of the 3 games he played where he shouldnt have been on the field.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:06 am to
We were worried about you. That’s probably the longest this board has gone speaking anything negatively against Winston before his lone defender comes out of his hole.

I always enjoy watching just how much mental energy you’re willing to spend trying to find ways to defend him.

Happy to see that a significant difference in turnovers is “cherry picking stats to make him look bad”
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 11:08 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:12 am to
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always enjoy watching just how much mental energy you’re willing to spend trying to find ways to defend him


It's just basic math you ignore, like Dalton having far worse offensive games healthy than jameis had injured. But I know you like to ignore what proves you wrong. You just did in your post.

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That’s probably the longest this board has gone speaking anything negatively against Winston before his lone defender comes out of his hole


Other posters were defending him in this very thread lol.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:14 am to
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It's just basic math you ignore,


Like a significant difference in turnovers as well as rating?

Like how Dalton didn’t have MT to throw to?

Like those?
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:15 am to
You know who else loves to cherry pick things from Winston?

Opposing defenses.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 12:21 pm to
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Like a significant difference in turnovers as well as rating?


Like Dalton championing the two worst offensive performances of the season.

Jameis had 3 games, 2 he played hurt. When he's been healthy for the saints he's played well and won. There's nothing about that statement that is debatable.

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Like how Dalton didn’t have MT to throw to?


Irrelevant when he's playing hurt.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:12 pm to
Dalton had a significantly lower turnover rate than Winston and a top 10 in the NFL rating last season. Winston refused to play when he became healthy.

There’s nothing about those statements that’s debatable.

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Irrelevant when he's playing hurt.


Your favorite excuse whenever something doesn’t fit your narrative. He still played for 3 games. Was he hurt for the first two?

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When he's been healthy for the saints he's played well and won.


You’re stumping for a guy with a career losing record and his best season for the saints came under the guy who is currently coaching the broncos. You’re the absolute king of coming up with the most bull shite excuses for a guy who once threw for 30 interceptions in a single season.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 4:47 pm to
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Was he hurt for the first two?


He was hurt in the 3rd quarter of the first game.

But I don't expect you to pay attention to things that prove you wrong. You haven't yet.

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top 10 in the NFL rating last season


We averaged 18 ppg a season last season. Dalton led saints got shutout and scored 7 fricking points. But yeah he had a top 10 rating which matters more.

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You’re stumping for a guy with a career losing record and his best season for the saints came under the guy who is currently coaching the broncos.


Yeah shame on me for stumping for a talented younger player that learned a lot from great coaches and a great qb and showed improvement before getting his knee blown out, then getting hurt 3 quarters into his first game back.

Our coach is gone so all he learned from him didn't count. Brilliant logic.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:07 am to
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talented younger player that learned a lot from great coaches and a great qb and showed improvement


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

My bad. I forgot the only time Jamies throws and interception is because he's hurt. What a trooper for staying in the league while being hurt for 8 consecutive seasons. I forgot Winston is the only person prone to injuries.

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He was hurt in the 3rd quarter of the first game.



Show your work. He came back healthy week 1 and went back out week 3 for a toe dislocation(allegedly). He isn't on any injury report that I can find on week 2 or 3.

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Our coach is gone so all he learned from him didn't count. Brilliant logic.


He learned how to throw 5 picks in 3 games? GOAT'd.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 3:09 am
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