re: JAMEIS IS READY

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I really do think CSP is playing his cards really tight on just how excited he is to have this reclamation project as his qb situation the year after Brees retired. 

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Yep. One of the things that Payton loved about Brees when he signed with the Saints in 2006 was that Brees had a HUGE chip on his shoulder (no pun intended). Brees wanted to prove 2 things. One was that his shoulder injury wasn't the end of him & the second was that he was indeed a franchise QB. Brees had just come from a situation where the GM, AJ Smith, did not in believe him. Smith said Brees was not a prototypical NFL QB from a physical standpoint which is why he drafted Philip Rivers.

Winston has a similar chip on his shoulder. He's wanting to live up to being the overall #1 pick in 2015 as well as show he is indeed a franchise QB himself. The fact that Winston agreed to the contract he currently has, is a sign to everyone that he is betting on himself right now. I think Payton is seeing those things playing out behind the scenes & has to be licking his chops to unleash Winston in his offense.

What's with that head gear

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I would take Warren Moon over plenty of QBs. He was much better than most white QBs but he's the exception.

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So you wouldn't currently want Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson either?

Look man, I'm going to try to help you here because I think I understand what you are really trying to say but it's coming out wrong & it appears racially biased. I think you are trying to say that you would prefer a QB who is more of a traditional pocket first passer over a QB who is considered a runner.

I'm with you in those thoughts because eventually defenses always find away to slow those guys down or their bodies breakdown themselves like Cam Newton & RGIII. I expect the same to happen to Lamar Jackson if he doesn't get used more as pocket passer & used as less as a runner. Because of their athletic abilities as runners, they take for granted mastering all of the intricacies of quarterbacking. Those intricacies are what separate the average QBs from the great ones.

Steve Young was by far the best running QB to turn pocket passer but if you read up on Young, he even went through his own struggles at BYU, in the USFL, Tampa Bay & San Francisco with being a runner vs being a pocket passer.

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Well, I was throwing the ball a lot (at BYU), so I had some concepts that were taught to me by (quarterbacks coach) Mike Holmgren in college. But I also ran around like crazy. Ironically, it was in the USFL with (Hall-of-Fame coach) Sid Gillman. People don’t remember that Sid Gillman was my coach. He was an old crotchety guy, but he was the first one to basically say, ‘You can’t just run around.’ … I remember, he literally tied my feet up. He got a rope and said ‘OK, you can’t go anywhere. What are you going to do? You can’t move. What’s your next plan?’ So that got me thinking about that.

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When you ask me about when the light went on, he started me thinking about it. And the truth is, it really started when Bill (Walsh) got hold of me. Because when Bill got hold of me I remember him pulling me aside and saying ‘Steve, nobody knows where you are.’ And I’d go run for 10 yards, or I’d scramble around and throw the ball for a nice completion or something and he’d say, ‘That’s great. But nobody knows where you are. And the truth is, if you really want to make the most of it — get everything out of the play that I call. You left early. You didn’t explore every avenue or option. And people need to know where you are.’ And I remember thinking ‘Oh, crap. I better be where everyone expects me to be. And do everything that everyone expects me to do with this play. I’ve got to exhaust it.’

And there were times when I would exhaust it and he would see my eyes work the whole thing, and I would take off running for 15 yards and he would say ‘Now that’s 15 yards worthwhile. That’s what I’m talking about. That play got exhausted and then you created something out of nothing. You made me look good rather than — you running around and not exhausting the play and making 15 yards. That adds up to one-plus-one equals one. Over time, those 15 yards actually hurt.’ That was how he taught me.

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Steve Young & The Art of Molding a Mobile Quarterback

That article is a great read. Young breaks down the challenges running QBs face in terms of their development as passers. You also get an understanding as to why they don't last long term if they don't learn the game from inside of the pocket.

Black QBs coming out of college have been more adapt at being runners but there has also been plenty of white running QBs who have failed in the NFL as well like Heath Shuler, Johnny Manziel, Jake Locker, Tim Tebow, etc. Josh Allen is currently showing significant signs of developing from a runner into a passer the way Young did & he deserves a tremendous amount of credit for the work he has put in.

The running QB dilemma isn't about race though. It's about the willingness to learn & being in an environment that's conducive to a positive development (which Winston is now currently in). Winston isn't a running QB though. He has always been a pocket passer which is why do many fans can see him reaching his full potential under Sean Payton. So instead just labeling it as a Black QB issue, you need to refer to your dislike as a run first QB issue.

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Yes, cause we should be going after quarterbacks by how much of a bargain they are financially.

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The Saints signed Brees in 2006 on pretty much a bargain deal, 6 years 60 million.

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Early in his career, there were questions about Drew Brees having a slow release.

That wasn't the case Tuesday when he pulled the trigger on a six-year, $60 million deal with the New Orleans Saints that included a $8 million signing bonus and a 2006 base salary of $2 million.

The contract includes a $12 million option bonus due next spring and a base salary of $3 million for 2007.

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Right. The bears offer lol.

They were desperate. They gave andy dalton the starting job.

More lucrative than 5.5 mil base.

You do realize that is less that most good backups get, right?

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