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re: Is this the "all-in" year?
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:38 pm to The Midnight Rider
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:38 pm to The Midnight Rider
Not any more than usual. Looking at our roster if this is "all in " like super bowl or bust then I think a lot of people who believe that are going to be pretty upset. It's not like we've spent wildly or anything so far. Seems like we're making fairly prudent moves across the board for the next few years, but we still have a lot of holes left. I feel like we've actually shown a good bit of restraint in not overspending or thinking we're one big name signing away. I think the draft strategy will tell you a lot. If we're being ultra aggressive and bringing trading back into rounds with future picks then maybe we're gearing up more for next 2 or 3 years without much thought for the future.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 7:42 pm
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:41 pm to The Midnight Rider
No I don't think it is an 'all-in' type of year
None of their moves scream "desperation" to me
None of their moves scream "desperation" to me
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:41 pm to The Midnight Rider
no
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:41 pm to The Midnight Rider
When were we not "all in"? 
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:51 pm to The Midnight Rider
They've been slowly working up to this for the last few years, so I'd say yeah. The cap space and talent accumulation have really peaked for us this season compared to the last 4 or so years, so if there was ever going to be a run, this is it.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:52 pm to The Midnight Rider
If you're not all-in then wtf are you? I'm sorry but every year is superbowl or bust. And if you don't have that mentality as a fan, go be a fricking falcons fan and blow more 25 point leads or be a fricking panthers fan and drop a big egg against a washed-up Peyton Manning.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:31 pm to The Midnight Rider
I'd say we are in the first year of a 2 year all in.
The team has been aggressive yet methodical in free agency so far. Fortunately the draft is very top heavy with defensive talent this year, we have some cap space and I believe Drew has a couple of more high level years in him. I think the stars are beginning to align for the team.
The team has been aggressive yet methodical in free agency so far. Fortunately the draft is very top heavy with defensive talent this year, we have some cap space and I believe Drew has a couple of more high level years in him. I think the stars are beginning to align for the team.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:46 pm to The Midnight Rider
It's not going to be enough to just make the playoffs and go home in the wildcard game or divisional round.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 9:31 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
If we trade next years 1st round to move up and get Garrett (probably won't be enough) or even trade next years, whatever pick (2/3) to get Thomas or Barnett, Then I would say that we are going all in for this year.
I am not proposing that we do this, but these actions will show that this is an all in year.
I am not proposing that we do this, but these actions will show that this is an all in year.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 11:21 pm to ChaChingBoyd
some people view being "all-in" as just doing all you can to get the best players through FA and draft but that isn't the definition of being "all-in".
I don't know why they think that? that's not "all-in" thats just common sense doing your job to field the best team you can.
"all-in" is an extreme measure meaning putting all you have on the line by selling out your whole chance at any future success just for benefiting this one years chance of trying to get to the superbowl at any and all costs..
we went "all-in" to get ricky Williams when Ditka gave up the whole draft to get him. that's an "all-in" type of move.
had we gone out and signed d'ante hightower to a $15 million per year contract or something as extreme as that, then that would be all-in move.
far too many people on here are confusing regular normal everyday business "just trying to win" moves we are making as somehow being all-in but its not.
just because we are "finally" making smarter decisions of who we go after and the contracts we are signing with them. that's just making smart moves, that's not all-in.
we just we finally have smarter people doing talent evaluation but we haven't made any moves so far to say the are making any desperation "all-in" moves
I don't know why they think that? that's not "all-in" thats just common sense doing your job to field the best team you can.
"all-in" is an extreme measure meaning putting all you have on the line by selling out your whole chance at any future success just for benefiting this one years chance of trying to get to the superbowl at any and all costs..
we went "all-in" to get ricky Williams when Ditka gave up the whole draft to get him. that's an "all-in" type of move.
had we gone out and signed d'ante hightower to a $15 million per year contract or something as extreme as that, then that would be all-in move.
far too many people on here are confusing regular normal everyday business "just trying to win" moves we are making as somehow being all-in but its not.
just because we are "finally" making smarter decisions of who we go after and the contracts we are signing with them. that's just making smart moves, that's not all-in.
we just we finally have smarter people doing talent evaluation but we haven't made any moves so far to say the are making any desperation "all-in" moves
Posted on 3/19/17 at 1:57 am to Patrick O Rly
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Yes, this is the off season we've been planning for.
i envisioned Ted Ginn but not so much AJ Klein. Klein isn't a bad signing by any means IMO but its also not one that has me counting down the days until kickoff.
Warford will be an upgrade.. at least all signs point to that.
Fairley can play but he's also drawn some dumb penalties before. Didn't really overpay for him but if he falls short of his QB sack total from last year people (fans on here) will want him gone and say he's washed up. he's in a no win spot unless unless he matches his total or exceeds it this year (for the majority of fans) in my mind.
Okafor might end up being a solid role player and that's cool as frick. I just hope he isn't the new Victor Butler where people have some fricked up expectation of him and then he either gets hurt or falls short on the stat sheet. If he can contribute even here and there then..cool.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 2:58 am to keakar
Like you said, all in would be willing to lock your future with a handful of free agents. Signing a combination of hightower/brown, zeitler/leary, gilmore/bouye, and Perry would have been all in.
Similarly to Denvers gamble that year they signed ware, talib, and ward
Similarly to Denvers gamble that year they signed ware, talib, and ward
Posted on 3/19/17 at 4:55 am to The Midnight Rider
Don't forget we got ****** out of a couple 2nd round draft picks in 2012 and 2013. I'm not one to say we could've had X player because you never know who would have ultimately been the pick, but it's still a 2nd round pick regardless. Those are immediate starters/contributors who have Pro Bowl potential, or at the very least, add crucial depth.
No doubt it was a blow to the overall talent level on the Saints roster but now the team is poised to get it together with this draft class and a nice handful of picks at their disposal.
No doubt it was a blow to the overall talent level on the Saints roster but now the team is poised to get it together with this draft class and a nice handful of picks at their disposal.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 8:38 am to St Augustine
2012 vs 2017 free agency - "going all in"
2012:
Re-signed Colston: 5yr/36.3mil
Signed Bunkley: 5yr/25mil
Signed Hawthorne: 5yr/19mil
Signed Lofton: 5yr/27.5mil
Signed Grubbs: 5yr/36.0mil
Signed Chamberlain: 3yr/4mil
Lost free agents:
Meachem
Nicks
that's a huge difference in this year.
2012:
Re-signed Colston: 5yr/36.3mil
Signed Bunkley: 5yr/25mil
Signed Hawthorne: 5yr/19mil
Signed Lofton: 5yr/27.5mil
Signed Grubbs: 5yr/36.0mil
Signed Chamberlain: 3yr/4mil
Lost free agents:
Meachem
Nicks
that's a huge difference in this year.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:16 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
We've been all in for the last three years.
Agree
"We really haven't been though. We've been hampered by the most dead money in the league combined with a 2014 draft that netted us 0 contributors to this now 2017 team. Even though I'm pretty sure we still had the most the Graham and Galette money finally fell off".
Disagree. Money available has nothing to do with selling out and going all in on trying to win now. As perm said it just has not worked out.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:43 am to The Midnight Rider
It is for Payton and should be for Loomis too. No playoffs this year they need to ax both. That's probably why Brees has his contract end this season. No Payton here and he's probably going to leave automatically. I don't think he wants to be here unless Payton is too.
Posted on 3/19/17 at 10:53 am to St Jean The Baptiste
I think every year is all in in the NFL now. The Patriots rotating roster has been their secret to success. Argue what you will about the Cooks trade compensation. If you do not see signing him beyond his rookie deal then this is exactly how the Pats have built their winning formula. One year Super Bowl and the next 6-10 like the Panthers or 8-8 to the SB like the dirty birds is the NFL now. Saints to the Super Bowl? Just re-examine last year and note how few plays could have flipped 7-9 to a playoff appearance. IMO there are only a half dozen NFL teams that could be considered in building mode vs. all in.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:27 am to htran90
quote:
2012:
Re-signed Colston: 5yr/36.3mil
Signed Bunkley: 5yr/25mil
Signed Hawthorne: 5yr/19mil
Signed Lofton: 5yr/27.5mil
Signed Grubbs: 5yr/36.0mil
Signed Chamberlain: 3yr/4mil
disgusting
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