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re: Ingram's best game, to be sure, BUT...
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:41 pm to landrywasbeast30
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:41 pm to landrywasbeast30
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The problem is, you take a stat like "forced seven missed tackles", and you conclude that he forced a missed tackle on half his runs, because he had 14 carries. How do you know he didn't have multiple missed tackles on 2 or 3 runs instead?
You didn't watch the game, it's ok.
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How do we know those missed tackles aren't with like 3 guys trying to tackle him at the end of a run? There is no context there. I personally only saw him break one important tackle in that game. But yeah, if you guys want to claim that this dude whose biggest failure has been that he hasn't lived up to his hype as specifically a power back, now has power, go right ahead.
Again, you clearly didn't watch the game.
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Not trying to diminish anything
Sure you aren't. 
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:42 pm to landrywasbeast30
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The problem is, you take a stat like "forced seven missed tackles", and you conclude that he forced a missed tackle on half his runs, because he had 14 carries. How do you know he didn't have multiple missed tackles on 2 or 3 runs instead?
such a reachPosted on 11/11/13 at 9:42 pm to Rex
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I don't recall him breaking any tackles.
Proof that you're a know nothing idiot. Good job on finding another dumbass to take up for you.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:43 pm to Melvin
quote:I have no idea what this proves.
The problem is, you take a stat like "forced seven missed tackles", and you conclude that he forced a missed tackle on half his runs, because he had 14 carries. How do you know he didn't have multiple missed tackles on 2 or 3 runs instead?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:44 pm to htran90
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I feel lied to
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Don't get the point of this. For one, it has his weakness as not being a great pile pusher, while people on here are hyping his tackle breaking skills.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:45 pm to Rex
quote:If you think PT breaks those for TD's you are delusional. But I know you guys are just trying to create a Ingram vs. PT scenario so you can bump this thread and say "look how stupid all of you are" next time Ingram doesn't play well.
I don't recall him breaking any tackles. I recall him with a couple of opportunities to take it to the house and getting dragged down by the safety rather easily.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:46 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:It proves that having good stats is a bad thing. Duh
I have no idea what this proves.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:48 pm to Rex
quote:We have no RB who has all of those attributes. In fact, there are very few of those in the league overall. Obviously, you've missed a lot in your 55 years of watching football.
But is there true speed there? Tackle breaking power? Ankle breaking moves?
quote:Did you see 145 yards and a touchdown? Because that's all that matters.
I'm sorry... but I still didn't see any of that.
You're not happy unless you're unhappy, you miserable schmuck.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:48 pm to Ice Cold
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:49 pm to Breesus
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:50 pm to Melvin
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Where the frick do you see the words great vision in any of my posts.
I was being sarcastic. The point is, one decent game doesn't equal improved vision. Especially since all he had to do was run straight ahead. In fact, the 2 or 3 times he didn't have a huge hole, he showed poor agility trying to run side to side, as opposed to straight ahead.
Sorry I'm not the kind of person who praises someone for having improved vision, power, and explosiveness, after one good game, when his entire career besides that one game has shown otherwise.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:54 pm to landrywasbeast30
You keep saying all he had to do was run ahead. You should go watch a replay of the game and get back to us. Until then, your words mean nothing. You clearly have an axe to grind.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:55 pm to Ice Cold
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We have no RB who has all of those attributes. In fact, there are very few of those in the league overall. Obviously, you've missed a lot in your 55 years of watching football.
Ingram's problem is that he's not exceptional in any of those three.
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Obviously, you've missed a lot in your 55 years of watching football.
Obviously not.
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Did you see 145 yards and a touchdown? Because that's all that matters.
I've seen many borderline backs with similar games against poor defenses. What really matters is whether Ingram's production on a consistent basis was worth the first round draft choice and the other roster machinations that were made to keep him.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:57 pm to landrywasbeast30
quote:You're putting too much stock into the word improved. Did you fricking watch him before this past game? He never seemed to hit the hole with any explosiveness and rarely ever made the right cut through the hole, which he did last night. I'm not saying he is now going to have fantastic vision but hopefully it can continue to improve from this game. No one is saying he will be amazing after this game, but it's better to be optimistic that he can improve than be like you 2 and say "he still sucks" after the game that he had.
I was being sarcastic. The point is, one decent game doesn't equal improved vision. Especially since all he had to do was run straight ahead. In fact, the 2 or 3 times he didn't have a huge hole, he showed poor agility trying to run side to side, as opposed to straight ahead. Sorry I'm not the kind of person who praises someone for having improved vision, power, and explosiveness, after one good game, when his entire career besides that one game has shown otherwise.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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You didn't watch the game, it's ok.
So you are saying for a fact that he broke exactly one tackle on 7 of his 14 runs? See, this is why I don't feel bad when people like you don't agree with things I say.
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Sure you aren't.
Ingram had great numbers. That's a fact. Again, only reason I replied was because everyone was crapping on the OP for saying this doesn't mean all of a sudden Ingram's skills are improved.
What's the more likely scenario, this was one random good game that he won't have again, or Ingram really is improved and this will lead to more big games? If you believe the former, this debate is silly, and you just started this because you don't like the OP. If you believe the latter, good for you for being optimistic.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:00 pm to Rex
quote:You're still beating a dead horse for no reason because I don't think a single person who posted in this thread would disagree.
What really matters is whether Ingram's production on a consistent basis was worth the first round draft choice
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:01 pm to landrywasbeast30
If you didn't think he was more agile last night than compared to previous games, I know damn well you and the billion random facebook posting fans don't watch the game often if at all.
Go download the game through the torrent, watch it again, make gifs, and prove us wrong that he didn't break tackles on any of his runs.
Go download the game through the torrent, watch it again, make gifs, and prove us wrong that he didn't break tackles on any of his runs.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:03 pm to Hoodoo Man
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I have no idea what this proves.
It means some stats or worthless without context. Did he make guys miss? Did the guys who missed take bad angles? Was it just poor tackling? Did Ingram break all 7 tackles on one or two runs?
He may very well have just bulldozed 7 guys. I'm not saying he didn't. Just saying that stat on it's own is hard to figure out what exactly it means without context.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:04 pm to landrywasbeast30
Oh frick it, I'm out. I don't even care anymore.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:05 pm to Melvin
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It proves that having good stats is a bad thing. Duh
Don't think I ever said good stats is a bad thing. Funny you did this considering you are the same person who lost your sh!t when I just did exactly what you did here.
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