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In defense of Brees
Posted on 11/11/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/19 at 12:06 pm
Does anyone really believe he’s not a top notch quarterback? His protection repeatedly broke down yesterday. He’s not a great scrambler, but historically, he’s been adept at avoiding the sack, regardless of what happened yesterday.
And for someone to say he has a “ noodle arm” is silly. He still throws lasers with the intermediate targets( probably more impressive than the long bomb completion)
And for someone to say he has a “ noodle arm” is silly. He still throws lasers with the intermediate targets( probably more impressive than the long bomb completion)
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 12:20 pm
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 12:49 pm to VOR
quote:
He’s not a great scrambler, but historically, he’s been adept at avoiding the sack, regardless of what happened yesterday.
And for someone to say he has a “ noodle arm” is silly. He still throws lasers with the intermediate targets( probably more impressive than the long bomb completion)
I wonder if a lot of the Brees apologists are the same people who wanted Bridgewater gone every time he threw two straight incompletions.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:11 pm to VOR
brees had little to nothing to do with the beat down he took.
they took away MT and no one else was getting open
yes the idiots will scream LOOK AT HIS STATS MUH 15 TARGETS FOR 154 YARDS
except he got 1 ten or 15 yard pass play to him then he was double and triple covered and they went 3 and out because they have no #2 WR. just look at the 3rd down conversions, pathetic doesnt even begin to describe it. MT got one touch and sometimes 2 before they failed to convert a 3rd down and punted the ball and the rest of the team did nothing
all those sacks and knock downs on brees were coverage sacks and he had no where to throw it to.
granted payton had little to no game plan at all and kamara may as well have slept in and stayed home because they refused to use him at all, thats 100% on payton and not even being prepared to play.
its a complete team failure and brees has the least blame of all of them for what happened
they took away MT and no one else was getting open
yes the idiots will scream LOOK AT HIS STATS MUH 15 TARGETS FOR 154 YARDS
except he got 1 ten or 15 yard pass play to him then he was double and triple covered and they went 3 and out because they have no #2 WR. just look at the 3rd down conversions, pathetic doesnt even begin to describe it. MT got one touch and sometimes 2 before they failed to convert a 3rd down and punted the ball and the rest of the team did nothing all those sacks and knock downs on brees were coverage sacks and he had no where to throw it to.
granted payton had little to no game plan at all and kamara may as well have slept in and stayed home because they refused to use him at all, thats 100% on payton and not even being prepared to play.
its a complete team failure and brees has the least blame of all of them for what happened
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:28 pm to VOR
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Does anyone really believe he’s not a top notch quarterback? His protection repeatedly broke down yesterday. He’s not a great scrambler, but historically, he’s been adept at avoiding the sack, regardless of what happened yesterday.
And for someone to say he has a “ noodle arm” is silly. He still throws lasers with the intermediate targets( probably more impressive than the long bomb completion)
I notice you tend to make a lot of these 'in defense of' threads where I never see any credible people actually attacking those you defend. It's like you have some weird form of hyper-active co-dependency.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:31 pm to Unknown_Poster
Peat and Clapp are horrible and after Michael Thomas the WRs are average at best
Posted on 11/11/19 at 1:43 pm to keakar
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granted payton had little to no game plan at all and kamara may as well have slept in and stayed home because they refused to use him at all, thats 100% on payton and not even being prepared to play.
Honestly this was the bigger problem.
We abandoned the run. They dropped back 7 or 8 on coverage knowing we didn't intend on running. You could have 2 elite receivers and that's still problematic when you essentially telegraph your play calling.
Not committing to the run was the difference in not being able to convert some. Of those 3rd downs honestly
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:10 pm to lsutigers1992
I never was tough on Teddy, and Brees needs no apologist. It’s that most of the criticism is very misguided.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:18 pm to Unknown_Poster
Dude, just look at a few posts from today. I pRticulRly enjoyed the poster who referred to
Brees’ noodle arm.
That said, the downside of all sports message boards is that many fans need to rail on a scapegoat when things don’t go well. The easiest target often is the most prominent player. It’s a
symptom of frustration.
Brees’ noodle arm.
That said, the downside of all sports message boards is that many fans need to rail on a scapegoat when things don’t go well. The easiest target often is the most prominent player. It’s a
symptom of frustration.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:02 pm to VOR
quote:I don't think it was THAT bad.
His protection repeatedly broke down yesterday
On a few of those sacks, he had plenty of time. It felt more like WRs not being open was the issue.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:38 pm to VOR
T Hill or T Bridgewater would have made it happen with their feet.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:11 pm to VOR
quote:
Does anyone really believe he’s not a top notch quarterback? His protection repeatedly broke down yesterday. He’s not a great scrambler, but historically, he’s been adept at avoiding the sack, regardless of what happened yesterday.
Brees was never a great runner but he could move when need be. Outside of his historically pinpoint accuracy, his greatest physical gift was his ability to manipulate & maneuver in & outside the pocket. While doing so he was always able to maintain that uncanny accuracy even when throwing off platform.
The "noodle arm" talk has been around several years now & anyone who thinks Brees' arm strength is still the same when it comes to pushing the ball downfield is really kidding themselves. He doesn't throw deep anymore & opposing defenses going forward, will not fear the deep shot from the Saints offense. It allows them to limit the underneath throws. It goes deeper than that though. He doesn't have the ability to zip it while on the move anymore either. He's not as agile as he once was. There were times yesterday that prime Brees escapes the rush & makes a play. That is no longer something he can do on a regular basis.
What really caught my attention yesterday was Brees being fooled presnap several times then being hesitant in the pocket, like he was having problems reading the coverage the Falcons were showing him. I've never seen him like that before.
For those who have followed this game for a long time like myself, when an all time great QB physical skills begin to erode, you them begin to see them become hesitant because mentally, they begin to question whether they can still make a necessary throw. They also begin to overthink everything else while in the pocket. For the first time ever, I saw that from Brees.
Could it have just been because the Falcons had a great game plan? Maybe but I don't think it was. The next few games will tell the entire story especially the 49ers game.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:54 pm to VOR
Anyone thinking Brees is the problem isn't worth responding to...
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:35 pm to VOR
It’s not really Brees vs Bridgewater. It’s the offense we ran yesterday for a Brees that was horrible. 11 runs? What are we doing? Murray barely saw the field. He needs 20 carries a game. I think they got Cool and Kamara back and thought they were gonna throw it all over the place and when they couldn’t, they still didn’t stick to the run. It was really bad.
The Bridgewater offense probably wins the game yesterday.
The Bridgewater offense probably wins the game yesterday.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:51 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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The Bridgewater offense probably wins the game yesterday.
The Arizona game offense wins yesterday too.
The one flaw in a csp offense for years is the fact they refuse. Absolutely refuse. To constantly play to their strength, but rather to play vs their opponents weakness.
Look, it works more often than not. This was a game your offense could have controlled and we had the chance to change it at the half and still didn't.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:30 pm to shel311
quote:
On a few of those sacks, he had plenty of time. It felt more like WRs not being open was the issue.
on one of the sacks the Falcons rushed three and dropped eight so that might have been one you were referring to.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:58 pm to BigBrod81
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He doesn't throw deep anymore & opposing defenses going forward, will not fear the deep shot from the Saints offense. It allows them to limit the underneath throws. It goes deeper than that though. He doesn't have the ability to zip it while on the move anymore either. He's not as agile as he once was. There were times yesterday that prime Brees escapes the rush & makes a play. That is no longer something he can do on a regular basis.
I mean this is literally the opposite of what was happening and the opposite of what our weaknesses have been. They played deep coverage trying to keep everything in front of them while generating pressure with their front 4. The lack of running game allowed their linebackers to sit on slants and he was hit 16 times.
He also broke the pocket a few times only to have a receiver drop the ball.
We’ve had similar performances with younger Brees with similar defensive game plans (Seattle), and we’ve had worse performances from Drew when he’s getting constant interior pressure like that: Tampa more than once, Texans after a bye a few years ago.
Constant interior pressure destroys this offense. Constant interior pressure when rushing 4 destroys anyone.
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Edit: it’s also the reason Atlanta’s defense has completely failed the past 2 seasons. His entire scheme relies on being able to generate front pressure and keeping everything in front while pressing the outside
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:40 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:Maybe
on one of the sacks the Falcons rushed three and dropped eight so that might have been one you were referring to.
I just know there were multiple sacks where he probably held the ball for 4+ seconds.
If the QB still isn't hit at 4 seconds, the Oline has done their job.
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