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I know I'll get trashed for this but the Saints are not clutch
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:06 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:06 am
IMO, the Saints are like the teams we smirk at as having a tough time wining the big one. Yes we won 2 years ago, and that was great. I can't help but feel that's an anomaly.
The facts are going back in time the Saints always lose games like yesterday. Down 20-14 I felt well maybe we will be the team that wins 21-20 like so many times the old Saints didn't.
True we were good enough to get the lead but not hold it.
I my opinion the Saints are not a clutch team and in other words choke. Like the Cowboys, Colts, Chargers and Bears and Jets, we aren't the ones to get over the top. I know people will say we won two years ago, but the last two years and 2006 point more to the old than the new. Losing to 7-9 Seattle and having 5 uncalled for turnovers and two stupid defensive drives with the lead point to not being there.
So after a sleep, not the same old Saints but closer to the old Saints rather than the new Saints.
We have given the league two poster child playoff losses ... Seattle and SF. Takes away from the offense and the records. What good are they ....
The facts are going back in time the Saints always lose games like yesterday. Down 20-14 I felt well maybe we will be the team that wins 21-20 like so many times the old Saints didn't.
True we were good enough to get the lead but not hold it.
I my opinion the Saints are not a clutch team and in other words choke. Like the Cowboys, Colts, Chargers and Bears and Jets, we aren't the ones to get over the top. I know people will say we won two years ago, but the last two years and 2006 point more to the old than the new. Losing to 7-9 Seattle and having 5 uncalled for turnovers and two stupid defensive drives with the lead point to not being there.
So after a sleep, not the same old Saints but closer to the old Saints rather than the new Saints.
We have given the league two poster child playoff losses ... Seattle and SF. Takes away from the offense and the records. What good are they ....
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:27 am
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:08 am to northeasttiger
I disagree
we are clutch
Our last two road playoff games have been out west
and we played two teams that were told they didn't deserve to be there.
It's unfortunate is all
we are clutch
Our last two road playoff games have been out west
and we played two teams that were told they didn't deserve to be there.
It's unfortunate is all
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:10 am to northeasttiger
Dude, this is exactly how the old Saints played back in the 80's. They'd get your hopes up that they would be able to pull out the win. Then something wierd would happen, ie missed INT or a funny bounce going the other teams way, and they would throw the game down the toilet.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:12 am to northeasttiger
quote:so your saying the old Saints had the greatest offense of all time and scored 32 points including a go ahead TD with less then 2 min against the #1 defense even while giving the other team 5 extra possessions
So after a sleep, not the same old Saints but closer to the old Saints rather than the new Saints.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:13 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:20 am to LsuSaintsMan
quote:
so your saying the old Saints had the greatest offense of all time and scored 32 points including a go ahead TD with less then 2 min against the #1 defense even while giving the other team 5 extra possessions
No I'm saying just lke old Saints they find a way to lose and choke. The records are meaningless. The old Saints in the 80s had awesome record setting linebackers and defense. But always found way to lose. Just not good enough to be elite. And we arent now. Good chance this team goes down as one hit wonder while Packers, Pats Steelers go down as best teams of era. We will be known as nice team, good QB ... Lucked out to win one, but other than that not quite there.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:27 am to northeasttiger
quote:
Good chance this team goes down as one hit wonder
It may happen, it may not.
life isn't fair
Top seed is critical for us
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:29 am to northeasttiger
quote:why would you say all of this?
No I'm saying just lke old Saints they find a way to lose and choke. The records are meaningless. The old Saints in the 80s had awesome record setting linebackers and defense. But always found way to lose. Just not good enough to be elite. And we arent now. Good chance this team goes down as one hit wonder while Packers, Pats Steelers go down as best teams of era. We will be known as nice team, good QB ... Lucked out to win one, but other than that not quite there.
The front office for the first time in team history has been allowed to open the check book. This has led to us re-signing our own key FA's and bring in FA's such as Sproles.
The biggest issue is our inability to evaluate defensive talent, we have drafted hard on defense and brought in FA's yet we are still struggling.... I'm now starting to lean toward poor defensive coaching
My point is as long as Loomis is allowed to spend money and we have Payton and Brees we will contend or a SB every year
Oh and you don't luck into SB wins
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:32 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:35 am to LsuSaintsMan
quote:
The biggest issue is our inability to evaluate defensive talent, we have drafted hard on defense and brought in FA's yet we are still struggling.... I'm now starting to lean toward poor defensive coaching
And in the 80s we had the best defense but never could get the O going. And we loss the close tight games against the elite offenses ... Just needed a bit of offense. Other teams get enough O to go with their D ... Pittsburgh and SF or enough D for Their O .... New England in the 2000s. We are Baltimore but a mirror image. They can't get their O there. But won one.
Those two playoff losses were embarrassing.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:37 am to northeasttiger
our offense has gotten it done in our last 3 playoff games. TWO WERE ON THE ROAD OUT WEST! the problem is clutch D in the end. turnovers did not help either. sometimes that is too much to over come. we overcame it offensively, of course the D helped us overcome that also to only fail at the end. the playcalling by GW was horrendous at the end which also did not help any. our great offense enabled the comeback. many offenses would have tanked after being down 17-0 on the road in the playoffs with 5 turnovers. many would have lost all confidence. ours did not. we need a new DC. i am done with GW. we improved from gibbs to williams, now it is time to improve more. we need a d to help our o hold leads. we could lose players on offense this offseason. it is time we have a d to watch the offenses back when it matters most.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:41 am to northeasttiger
quote:
The facts are going back in time the Saints always lose games like yesterday. Down 20-14 I felt well maybe we will be the team that wins 21-20 like so many times the old Saints didn't.
This team has nothing to do with the Haslett teams.
Haslett's teams had nothing to do with the Ditka teams.
Their is no curse. There is no discernible, factual trend that can be traced to any causation.
This is nonsense.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:49 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:43 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
We need a d to help our o hold leads. we could lose players on offense this offseason. it is time we have a d to watch the offenses back when it matters most.
Agree on this.
But when you create a reputation like we have in playoffs that gives other teams confidence. Don't think for a moment SF wasn't saying ... They couldn't beat Seattle when it mattered.
Next year if we make the playoffs a team will say .... They couldn't beat Seattle or SF. And both of those teams had almost no playoff experience compared to the Saints. Teams with experience are supposed to use that as edge. ... saints don't.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:44 am to northeasttiger
quote:I'm sorry but this doesn't compare:
And in the 80s we had the best defense but never could get the O going. And we loss the close tight games against the elite offenses ... Just needed a bit of offense. Other teams get enough O to go with their D ... Pittsburgh and SF or enough D for Their O .... New England in the 2000s. We are Baltimore but a mirror image. They can't get their O there. But won one.
1. We have a Top 3 QB in an offense driven league
2. We have a Top 3 offensive coach in an offensive driven league
3. Old Saints front office was not given an open check book, this front office can whatever it wants
4. We have already won a SB, the old saints never even won a playoff game
The only similarity is we are struggling to improve our weaker side of the ball.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:45 am to LsuSaintsMan
quote:
I'm now starting to lean toward poor defensive coaching My point is as long as Loomis is allowed to spend money and we have Payton and Brees we will contend or a SB every year Oh and you don't luck into SB wins
agreed. i will admit though this loss is hard to take because the window is closing it appears. we wasted 07 and 08 with gibbs. i did not expect to get any further than beating seattle last year(which did not happen) anyway due to all the injuries we had. however this year things looked good and i thought we would make the super bowl again, maybe not win but get there. i at least thought we would make the NFC championship against GB(if they win). we had a legit shot this year. i hope we can get one more SB win. after last year i thought we could get 2 more but after this year, we cannot be greedy.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:46 am to northeasttiger
quote:
Their is no curse. There is no discernable, factual trend that can be traced to any causation.
Totally agree. But just like the Mora teams and others we choked two years in a row against underdog teams on the road. That's the Saints reputation now. This gives other teams confidence and fuels more of the same. Confidence of the opponent does have causation.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:49 am to dexy82
quote:Seattle and who else didn't deserve to be in playoffs?
and we played two teams that were told they didn't deserve to be there.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:49 am to LsuSaintsMan
quote:
The only similarity is we are struggling to improve our weaker side of the ball.
this is the key. get a new DC and retool. have a very good draft. get a D that can get stops in the clutch.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:52 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
Seattle and who else didn't deserve to be in playoffs?
I'm not saying San Fran didn't deserve to be there.
It was just implied by many talking heads and fans that the Saints would play green bay for the NFC.
that's a bit of dig to San Fran
don't you think?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:52 am to northeasttiger
quote:Even if you throw out 2009 and only look at the last two seasons(which is preposterous) the did something the Mora teams NEVER did, win a playoff game
Totally agree. But just like the Mora teams and others we choked two years in a row against underdog teams on the road. That's the Saints reputation now. This gives other teams confidence and fuels more of the same. Confidence of the opponent does have causation.
Besides losing to a 13-3 team on the road in the playoffs is not stunning failure
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:55 am to Fat Bastard
quote:well to be fair we've been trying achieve that for 6 years and only achieved it once.
this is the key. get a new DC and retool. have a very good draft. get a D that can get stops in the clutch.
SP and ML struggle with defensive talent scouting..... And GW either sucks at developing it or scouting it as well
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:01 am to dexy82
No it's a prediction...
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