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re: I am going to hate myself, but Rap said likely to be 2nd rounder and some change
Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:16 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:16 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Really? If so, that could really hold up negotiations. I am sure he and his agent see him as a CB1 all day and will look to be paid like one.
They view Butler as a high end, solid CB2 type and not some top 5-10 shutdown type corner
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:17 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Any info as to how close this is to being done?
Bunchy I have a lil info from a good source within org. One, if deal is done, won't be 11 or 32. More than likely pick(s) in future draft. Two, saints view Butler as somewhat of a product of Pats D/Belicheck, similar to Cooks being somewhat a product of Saints O/ Brees. They view Butler as a high end, solid CB2 type and not some top 5-10 shutdown type corner. Certainly a guy they can use but they won't go too crazy in compensation Also said to watch pick 32 as possible trade bait for more picks on draft day (we kinda figured that anyways) Take it fwiw
Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:22 pm to NOSHAU
Thank god the FO is seeing the light. I thought they had him pegged as a lockdown corner for a second
Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:29 pm to NOSHAU
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Really? If so, that could really hold up negotiations. I am sure he and his agent see him as a CB1 all day and will look to be paid like one.
Saints won't have a problem paying him the going rate for good CB. The CB2 thing wasn't a knock per se, just not that elite level type guy
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Any info as to how close this is to being done?
Not sure. The guy I know isn't FO, more on the player eval side of things
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:06 pm to GynoSandberg
Any idea what "draft picks in future drafts" means?
I mean that could be 1 and 2 next year.
I mean that could be 1 and 2 next year.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm not sure
He acted like it won't be a 1st regardless
He acted like it won't be a 1st regardless
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:14 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Bunchy I have a lil info from a good source within org. One, if deal is done, won't be 11 or 32. More than likely pick(s) in future draft. Two, saints view Butler as somewhat of a product of Pats D/Belicheck, similar to Cooks being somewhat a product of Saints O/ Brees. They view Butler as a high end, solid CB2 type and not some top 5-10 shutdown type corner. Certainly a guy they can use but they won't go too crazy in compensation
Also said to watch pick 32 as possible trade bait for more picks on draft day (we kinda figured that anyways)
Take it fwiw
Sounds like a more reasonable analysis to me.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:15 pm to Dead End
quote:What exactly does that 1st rounder mean to you? You think Sean and Mickey are going to use it on the next Darrelle Revis? Aquib Talib?
I just don't want to give up a 1st rounder
If you knew for a fact that you were drafting a CB that's going to play at a high level for you for the next 4 years would you use a 1st rounder on him?
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:19 pm to GynoSandberg
I'm not sure what Patriots motivation to do that would be, but man their fans will melt hard as frick.
Yeah, 32 is something I've been harping on. It is a super valuable pick in the current CBA, because it has the lowest value in terms of salary slotting in the first round, has a 5th year option, and allows a team sitting at the top of the 2nd to move up and get a QB (giving them a cheap guy for 5 years).
I could see someone like the 49ers/Bears/Jets giving up a few picks just to move up ahead of Cleveland and secure a guy like Mahomes at the end of the 1st.
2nd/3rd/Mid Round next year. Saints would likely package 3rds to have 3 2nd round picks at that point.
Yeah, 32 is something I've been harping on. It is a super valuable pick in the current CBA, because it has the lowest value in terms of salary slotting in the first round, has a 5th year option, and allows a team sitting at the top of the 2nd to move up and get a QB (giving them a cheap guy for 5 years).
I could see someone like the 49ers/Bears/Jets giving up a few picks just to move up ahead of Cleveland and secure a guy like Mahomes at the end of the 1st.
2nd/3rd/Mid Round next year. Saints would likely package 3rds to have 3 2nd round picks at that point.
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Bunch are we certain we could even legally trade 32 back to NE ?
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:33 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Bunchy I have a lil info from a good source within org. One, if deal is done, won't be 11 or 32. More than likely pick(s) in future draft. Two, saints view Butler as somewhat of a product of Pats D/Belicheck, similar to Cooks being somewhat a product of Saints O/ Brees.
But I've heard repeatedly in here that he's a lockdown, elite corner!
This news is awesome l, thanks gyno
Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:36 pm to GynoSandberg
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Bunch are we certain we could even legally trade 32 back to NE ?
I just checked the NFL operations manual on the draft on NFL.com and I didn't see anything preventing it in the rules.
HOWEVER: I could see the two teams wanting to avoid the appearance of collusion and getting hammered by Goodel. If it came out that they had agreed as part of the Cooks deal to this Butler deal, that would not be legal. The trade could be rescinded and both teams could get in some trouble.
However, there would need to be evidence. If they simply discussed it and nothing happened, and the Butler stuff started up again after, and both teams could demonstrate that the trades were separate completely and didn't rely on each other, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't go through.
I'm trying to peruse the actual CBA on the issue.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:09 pm to Fun Bunch
I went through the CBA when the Butler talks heated up and I didn't even see anything stating that, if we outright signed him, we would HAVE to send 11 instead of 32. CBA just says a pick in the tendered round. I asked OverTheCap's twitter (JasonOTC) and didn't get a response back. Underhill said that "a guy he trusts" said it would have to be 11 (again, only if there wasn't another agreement).
Posted on 3/17/17 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch
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However, there would need to be evidence
-Goodell
Posted on 3/17/17 at 8:30 pm to St Augustine
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But I've heard repeatedly in here that he's a lockdown, elite corner!
Really? Because I've seen VERY few people use elite or lockdown.
Part of that is because shutdown corners don't really exist anymore, partly or mostly because of rules.
Talib is about as close as it gets right now.
That said he is a very good man corner with great to elite ball skills.
I don't buy this he's a CB2 talk. He can cover ones. Maybe he's second tier corner if that's what they meant. I can agree with that. Second tier is still in the top 10 though. You have maybe 5 guys in that top tier.
Posted on 3/18/17 at 8:34 pm to bonethug0108
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Talib is about as close as it gets right now.
The Saints should have gone after Talib instead of Byrd and I said that when we signed Byrd. Had no clue Byrd would be a total bust for us but I thought we needed a lock down corner more. Not sure we could've gotten him over DEN though.
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