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Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:50 am to TigerBait1127
What have Bama fans been delusional about? Don't confuse arrogance with delusion. A simple perusing of the board at any given time will tell you that full time LSU fan/part time saints fans are, for the most part, retarded. There are obviously exceptions, those tend to actually follow the saints more than 16 sundays a year
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:57 am to WhoDatTigahsTampa
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His biggest question mark will be can he catch out of the backfield.
The problem wasn't that Fournette can't catch or showed problems in the receiving game, it was that he simply wasn't asked to do it much in the Tigers offense. That's not his fault & much more on the coaching staff for not exploiting his abilities as a receiver more. When he was thrown the ball out of the backfield, he excelled at it. Dalvin Cook on the other hand, was used multiple ways in the passing game, allowing him to show off his outstanding receiving skills. Jimbo Fisher made it a point to take advantage of that. These videos are good breakdowns of both players. For as good as Cook is as a receiver, he is equally as terrible in pass pro.
Leonard Fournette Breakdown
Dalvin Cook Breakdown
Posted on 2/15/17 at 10:58 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Crazy that there would be more delusional LSU fans on an LSU message board!!
And talking to Bama fans and perusing news articles will tell you that Bama fans are, for the most part, retarded.
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A simple perusing of the board at any given time will tell you that full time LSU fan/part time saints fans are, for the most part, retarded.
And talking to Bama fans and perusing news articles will tell you that Bama fans are, for the most part, retarded.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:02 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:16 am to Rohan Gravy
because "Talent" has been used as the arguing point about this very subject, and when the player gets to the NFL, the "talent" that was touted evaporated, and they just wasn't good, or mediocre at best.
and this is not me bashing Fournette - the kid is good, and he has talent and I wish him well, and glad we aren't playing him anymore in the SEC, but before we start jumping the gun and calling him the next big thing, let's just sit back and wait and see.
and it isn't just RB that often times "talent" doesn't pan out - it is true for any position on the team.
and this is not me bashing Fournette - the kid is good, and he has talent and I wish him well, and glad we aren't playing him anymore in the SEC, but before we start jumping the gun and calling him the next big thing, let's just sit back and wait and see.
and it isn't just RB that often times "talent" doesn't pan out - it is true for any position on the team.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:19 am to Rohan Gravy
There's no such thing as a bust proof prospect. No one here has any idea exactly how any of these players careers will play out.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:23 am to bamabenny
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He averaged around 2 yards a carry in his college career against the closest thing he's seen to an NFL defense, so I'd pump the brakes just a bit.
In Fournette's defense, LSU has had a pretty suspect O-line for the last few years. RBs traditionally do not do well when they are constantly being hit in the backfield.
With that said, he has the talent to be a top back in the league, but before you can even put him in the same breath of an AP, DJ, Bell, Freeman... he needs to get some live touches in a live NFL game. All he is right now is a prospect with a high ceiling and large probability that he can be a 1200 yd/year type guy (in the right offense).
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:30 am to bamabenny
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Let the guy touch the ball in the NFL a few times before you start making asinine claims like this.
Well this guy has made the claim & he has enough experience & clout under his belt in scouting that he has been on the ballot for the Hall of Fame.
Gil Brandt, the vice president of player personnel for the Cowboys from 1960 to 1989, helped Dallas grow into one of the most powerful and popular sports franchises in America. His innovative management and personnel systems are standard operating procedure today for many teams at the professional and collegiate levels nationwide.
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Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys player personnel executive who now works as an analyst for N.F.L. Media, compared Fournette to Adrian Peterson and Herschel Walker.
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"I have studied him very closely in three games this season, and Fournette is as complete a player as you will see at any position," Brandt wrote. "In last week's game against Syracuse, he ran for a 62-yard touchdown and on the next series he had an 84-yard touchdown run called back due to an illegal-formation penalty.
"Later on, I watched Fournette make three pass-protection blocks and one blitz-pickup block. I also watched him catch passes, another area in which he excels. Fournette is a rare individual who doesn't have any weaknesses that I can see."
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Herschel Walker
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Just 16 games into his college career, the 6-foot-1, 230-pound Fournette has been so staggeringly good he's prompted comparisons to Herschel Walker and Dupree, Earl Campbell and Bo Jackson -- some of the most freakishly great backs who have ever played. The hyperbole around Fournette only skyrocketed more when Walker came out and said Fournette " is better than I was" and longtime NFL personnel man Gil Brandt joined the chorus of folks saying Fournette is ready for the NFL right now.
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He averaged around 2 yards a carry in his college career against the closest thing he's seen to an NFL defense, so I'd pump the brakes just a bit.
Spencer Ware & Jeremy Hill had their struggles against Alabama too. Both of those backs have shown flashes in the NFL. Fournette is 10x as talented as Ware & Hill. It had more to do with the lack of offensive creativity & lack of talent along the offensive line for LSU. It nothing to do the with the running backs themselves.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:41 am to BigBrod81
Yes and this is the reason why he's considered a first round lock despite being a RB. He's viewed as being potentially the next great NFL RB but this what people think is going to happen. There were plenty of people (Jim Brown excluded) that thought Trent Richardson was going to be the next great thing too. Every single mock draft and draft "expert" had him going in the top 10 and he did.
If you look at some of the draft busts, many of them were almost widely regarded as bust proof and future all-pros.
I want to make it clear that I am NOT saying LF=TR. I do think LF is capable of being a great RB in the NFL. However he's yet to play a down in the NFL and it's too soon to say matter of factually that he will be an all-pro RB until he does so.
If you look at some of the draft busts, many of them were almost widely regarded as bust proof and future all-pros.
I want to make it clear that I am NOT saying LF=TR. I do think LF is capable of being a great RB in the NFL. However he's yet to play a down in the NFL and it's too soon to say matter of factually that he will be an all-pro RB until he does so.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:42 am to LooseCannon22282
DeVonta Freeman
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:54 am to 1BamaRTR
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Yes and this is the reason why he's considered a first round lock despite being a RB. He's viewed as being potentially the next great NFL RB but this what people think is going to happen.
It was the same story with Fournette from high school to college.
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If you look at some of the draft busts, many of them were almost widely regarded as bust proof
The ones who were bust were not bust because of lack of talent, it always goes back to lack of work ethic and/or character issues that teams either miss or completely ignore.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:57 am to BigBrod81
All I'm saying is wait till he actually plays before declaring him a great.
There are very few guarantees in life and sports is no exception.
There are very few guarantees in life and sports is no exception.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:51 pm to BigBrod81
Nice post BigBrod81!
Posted on 2/15/17 at 12:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
Bama's front 7 has embarassed LSU's O-Line the last 2 years. I really wouldn't judge Fournette based on those 2 games. He was regularly getting hit in the backfield or trying to run through a hole that was completely jammed.
Fournette has just as good or better numbers than any Bama RB against SEC opponents...and that's with a worse O-Line than Bama.
Fournette has just as good or better numbers than any Bama RB against SEC opponents...and that's with a worse O-Line than Bama.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:17 pm to GMoney2600
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Fournette has just as good or better numbers than any Bama RB against SEC opponents...and that's with a worse O-Line than Bama.
And? We're not comparing him to Bama's RBs college careers. Some of you don't see to understand that college success doesn't 100% guarantee NFL success. None of you have idea what the future is going to hold for him.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:23 pm to 1BamaRTR
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None of you have idea what the future is going to hold for him.
True, but I think he has a low bust potential compared to other RB's. LSU has put a shite load of RB's in the league recently and he's easily the best. The only one that comes close to him is Jeremy Hill and he blows Hill out of the water in everything besides vision. Fournette needs to improve his vision, and if he ends up being a bust it will be b/c of that imo. It's really his only weakness imo. He doesn't juke very well either, but he really doesn't try to...instead he usually trucks people over(even LB's in college). NFL DB's won't be able to tackle him high, b/c they'll get flattened.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:39 pm to Rohan Gravy
Your question will be impossible to answer for at least a year
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:42 pm to GMoney2600
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NFL DB's won't be able to tackle him high, b/c they'll get flattened.
I love when people speak in absolutes. That's a 200 pound cornerback stoning him in the gap by the way
Posted on 2/15/17 at 1:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Good play, I guess I should have said most of the time. For that 1 play there are 20 plays of him running over a guy.
I'm actually interested to see where Guice gets drafted if he comes out in 2018. He's actually a more complete runner than Fournette. His vision is pretty damn elite & jukes people out of their shoes. He has just a much power as Fournette relative to his weight & also has the homerun speed. Not really sure how good his pass protection and hands are though. He handles screens easily, but that's really all LSU has asked him to do so far.
I'm actually interested to see where Guice gets drafted if he comes out in 2018. He's actually a more complete runner than Fournette. His vision is pretty damn elite & jukes people out of their shoes. He has just a much power as Fournette relative to his weight & also has the homerun speed. Not really sure how good his pass protection and hands are though. He handles screens easily, but that's really all LSU has asked him to do so far.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:27 pm
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