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re: FYI - If you like mock draft simulators
Posted on 3/20/25 at 5:15 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 3/20/25 at 5:15 pm to Chad504boy
He's not being traded this year. Not sure why people are still holding on to their hope that we part ways with him. He likely isn't going anywhere next season either, unless something drastically changes.
For all the money we would eat, someone would have to give up a 1st. Do we really think some team will give up a 1st for Carr?
For all the money we would eat, someone would have to give up a 1st. Do we really think some team will give up a 1st for Carr?
This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 5:17 pm
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 5:25 pm to saints5021
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I don't see us going OT for second year in a row with top pick. We also aren't going to trade back.
I was debating that as well. But the top CB, Top DL, and Top Edge had come off the board before 9, so I traded back 2 and got someone still there had I picked at 9. I think we need a CB here, but everytime I have thought that in the past, They went DL or OL.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:40 pm to bonethug0180
quote:
He's not being traded this year. Not sure why people are still holding on to their hope that we part ways with him. He likely isn't going anywhere next season either, unless something drastically changes. For all the money we would eat, someone would have to give up a 1st. Do we really think some team will give up a 1st for Carr?
So you go from not being traded to someone needs to give up a 1?
Posted on 3/20/25 at 10:58 pm to Chad504boy
I'm saying it's utterly ridiculous to think anyone will give up a 1st for Carr, so he will not be traded.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:35 am to bonethug0180
quote:not a 1st maybe, but how about a 2nd or 3rd and a player. If the Saints draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round, I can definitely see it happening. Keep in mind, his cap hit doesn't change if we trade him. We just lose the opportunity to restructure him again next year.
I'm saying it's utterly ridiculous to think anyone will give up a 1st for Carr, so he will not be traded.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 6:48 am to Chad504boy
quote:
Do we really think some team will give up a 1st for Carr?
I’d be thrilled if we got a 3rd.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 8:18 am to Handsome Pete
quote:This is incorrect if it isn't a post June 1st trade, which means you aren't getting draft picks for him from this year anyway.
Keep in mind, his cap hit doesn't change if we trade him
If traded pre June 1st all of his bonus money immediately comes due on the cap and we go from our current 33 mil under to 25 mil over the cap, which means he is literally untradable until after June 1st.
So in addition to it being EXTREMELY unlikely anyone would even give us the comp for it to be worth taking a MASSIVELY HUGE loss in cap space either this year (pre June 1st) or next (post June 1st), I do not believe we can even clear near that much space if trying to trade him before this draft.
IF we were going to get rid of him this year, it would have been before we gave him another 17 mil in bonus money. Once we gave him that money he was never going to go anywhere this year, and still very unlikely next year unless something drastic changes.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 8:20 am
Posted on 3/21/25 at 8:23 am to bonethug0180
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If traded pre June 1st all of his bonus money immediately comes due on the cap and we go from our current 33 mil under to 25 mil over the cap, which means he is literally untradable until after June 1st.
unless there's a renegotiated contract between him and team correct?
Posted on 3/21/25 at 8:29 am to Chad504boy
quote:No that has zero effect on the bonus money we owe. Bonus money is already paid, by us, and just prorated out over X amount of years, so we are on the hook for all of the bonus money (unless it's something like an unearned roster bonus for next year, which he doesn't have one). So if he is gone from the team pre June 1st we immediately owe all of that bonus money on this year's cap.
unless there's a renegotiated contract between him and team correct?
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/21/25 at 8:34 am to bonethug0180
Cap Calculator
Just play around with this and you can see what happens with his contract in different scenarios. Once he was given the 17 mil AND restructured, he was always going to stay this year, and made it VERY likely he would stay next year. The window to move on was before that, so Moore made the commitment to roll with Carr for 2 years.
While there is an out next year, it isn't fiscally responsible to cut Carr to only save 9.5 mil unless we have a QB we feel is our QB of the future, or something happens really bad with Carr this year.
Edit:
To add a little more to show how entrenched we are once we made the bonus/restructure decision, even if we do trade him post June 1st we only save 11.5 mil total vs just keeping him for 2 years (the 2 mil base this year and the 9.5 mil next year).
So whatever comp we get must be worth still paying Carr a shite ton of money, only saving 11.5 over 2 years of not having him, and we'd need a sure fire QB starter to even start to consider it (which would then be better to let him sit so he isn't forced in too early if we are talking a rookie).
Just play around with this and you can see what happens with his contract in different scenarios. Once he was given the 17 mil AND restructured, he was always going to stay this year, and made it VERY likely he would stay next year. The window to move on was before that, so Moore made the commitment to roll with Carr for 2 years.
While there is an out next year, it isn't fiscally responsible to cut Carr to only save 9.5 mil unless we have a QB we feel is our QB of the future, or something happens really bad with Carr this year.
Edit:
To add a little more to show how entrenched we are once we made the bonus/restructure decision, even if we do trade him post June 1st we only save 11.5 mil total vs just keeping him for 2 years (the 2 mil base this year and the 9.5 mil next year).
So whatever comp we get must be worth still paying Carr a shite ton of money, only saving 11.5 over 2 years of not having him, and we'd need a sure fire QB starter to even start to consider it (which would then be better to let him sit so he isn't forced in too early if we are talking a rookie).
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/21/25 at 10:18 am to bonethug0180
Oh no, that 2028 cap situation is getting out of hand 
I wonder if we see another uncapped year like we did back in 2010. Maybe they are planning this to be the time to say F* it and dump a bunch of contracts and just take the penalty/fine; then Loomis retires - he would be around 72.
I wonder if we see another uncapped year like we did back in 2010. Maybe they are planning this to be the time to say F* it and dump a bunch of contracts and just take the penalty/fine; then Loomis retires - he would be around 72.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 10:33 am to Weekend Warrior79
They just don't estimate the cap that far out most of the time, which is why it's sitting at 0.
But unless we actually extend Carr and a few others it will be 2027 that will take on most of what you see listed for 2028. 2027 is the year we are currently setup to do a soft reset of things.
But unless we actually extend Carr and a few others it will be 2027 that will take on most of what you see listed for 2028. 2027 is the year we are currently setup to do a soft reset of things.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 10:37 am to bonethug0180
My comment was in jest from seeing that negative figure and the $0 for the team salary cap. I knew the CBA was expiring soon (2031) and when I saw no cap I assumed it was 2028.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 10:51 am to Weekend Warrior79
Yeah sorry for turning the reply so serious. xD
I figured it was probably a joke but then started going in on how we can kind of reset very soon, just like everyone wants.
I figured it was probably a joke but then started going in on how we can kind of reset very soon, just like everyone wants.
Posted on 3/21/25 at 10:02 pm to bonethug0180
quote:Sigh. I guess I should have specified post June 1, though I clearly stated it would most likely happen if the Saints drafted a QB early - so he'd be traded after the draft. Obviously any picks we get for Carr would be in 2026.
This is incorrect if it isn't a post June 1st trade, which means you aren't getting draft picks for him from this year anyway.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 10:38 am to farmhands
quote:This is more in line of where Dart should be ranked. The 26 draft is weak as well regarding qb's. The best hope is to get lucky with someone like a Brock Purdy.
131. Jackson Dart - QB
Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:06 pm to Handsome Pete
9
Shedeur Sanders - QB (Pre-draft: #10)
6'1" | 212 lbs | Colorado | SR
40
Mike Green - EDGE (Pre-draft: #37)
6'3" | 251 lbs | Marshall | SO
71
Tate Ratledge - OG (Pre-draft: #61)
6'6" | 308 lbs | Georgia | SR
93
Gunnar Helm - TE (Pre-draft: #90)
6'5" | 241 lbs | Texas | SR
112
DJ Giddens - RB (Pre-draft: #92)
6'0" | 212 lbs | Kansas State | JR
131
Ricky White - WR (Pre-draft: #124)
6'1" | 184 lbs | UNLV | SR
184
Tommi Hill - CB (Pre-draft: #155)
6'0" | 213 lbs | Nebraska | JR
248
Cody Lindenberg - LB (Pre-draft: #187)
6'2" | 236 lbs | Minnesota | SR
254
Carson Vinson - OT (Pre-draft: #200)
6'7" | 314 lbs | Alabama A&M | JR
Shedeur Sanders - QB (Pre-draft: #10)
6'1" | 212 lbs | Colorado | SR
40
Mike Green - EDGE (Pre-draft: #37)
6'3" | 251 lbs | Marshall | SO
71
Tate Ratledge - OG (Pre-draft: #61)
6'6" | 308 lbs | Georgia | SR
93
Gunnar Helm - TE (Pre-draft: #90)
6'5" | 241 lbs | Texas | SR
112
DJ Giddens - RB (Pre-draft: #92)
6'0" | 212 lbs | Kansas State | JR
131
Ricky White - WR (Pre-draft: #124)
6'1" | 184 lbs | UNLV | SR
184
Tommi Hill - CB (Pre-draft: #155)
6'0" | 213 lbs | Nebraska | JR
248
Cody Lindenberg - LB (Pre-draft: #187)
6'2" | 236 lbs | Minnesota | SR
254
Carson Vinson - OT (Pre-draft: #200)
6'7" | 314 lbs | Alabama A&M | JR
Posted on 3/26/25 at 3:02 pm to saints5021
9
Mason Graham - DT (Pre-draft: #4)
6'3" | 296 lbs | Michigan | JR
40
Cameron Williams - OT (Pre-draft: #42)
6'6" | 317 lbs | Texas | JR
71
Darien Porter - CB (Pre-draft: #67)
6'3" | 195 lbs | Iowa State | SR
93
Mason Taylor - TE (Pre-draft: #73)
6'5" | 251 lbs | LSU | JR
112
Jack Sawyer - EDGE (Pre-draft: #104)
6'4" | 260 lbs | Ohio State | SR
131
Savion Williams - WR (Pre-draft: #115)
6'4" | 222 lbs | TCU | SR
184
Damien Martinez - RB (Pre-draft: #152)
6'0" | 217 lbs | Miami (FL) | JR
248
Connor Colby - OG (Pre-draft: #188)
6'6" | 309 lbs | Iowa | SR
254
Kobe King - LB (Pre-draft: #209)
6'1" | 236 lbs | Penn State | JR
Mason Graham - DT (Pre-draft: #4)
6'3" | 296 lbs | Michigan | JR
40
Cameron Williams - OT (Pre-draft: #42)
6'6" | 317 lbs | Texas | JR
71
Darien Porter - CB (Pre-draft: #67)
6'3" | 195 lbs | Iowa State | SR
93
Mason Taylor - TE (Pre-draft: #73)
6'5" | 251 lbs | LSU | JR
112
Jack Sawyer - EDGE (Pre-draft: #104)
6'4" | 260 lbs | Ohio State | SR
131
Savion Williams - WR (Pre-draft: #115)
6'4" | 222 lbs | TCU | SR
184
Damien Martinez - RB (Pre-draft: #152)
6'0" | 217 lbs | Miami (FL) | JR
248
Connor Colby - OG (Pre-draft: #188)
6'6" | 309 lbs | Iowa | SR
254
Kobe King - LB (Pre-draft: #209)
6'1" | 236 lbs | Penn State | JR
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:22 pm to saints5021
fist sim had Carter dropping to us. Second had Carolina taking S Sanders. IDK about this mock draft sim site.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:36 pm to Handsome Pete
quote:
Pick Player 9 Shedeur Sanders - QB (Pre-draft: #4) 6'1" | 212 lbs | Colorado | SR In 2024, Shedeur Sanders completed 298 of 430 passes (69.3% completion rate) for 3,230 yards, 31 touchdowns, and just three interceptions. Sanders also led the nation in second-half passing yards per game, with a 74% completion rate, 1,954 yards, and 18 touchdowns in the latter half of games. His performance earned him the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, recognizing the nation's top senior quarterback, and the Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year honors.
40 Landon Jackson - EDGE (Pre-draft: #45) 6'6" | 264 lbs | Arkansas | SR Landon Jackson had a notable 2024 season, recording 49 tackles, including 6.5 sacks, and forced 1 fumble. Jackson's relentless pursuit of quarterbacks and ability to disrupt plays in the backfield earned him recognition as a formidable defensive threat.
71 Harold Fannin Jr. - TE (Pre-draft: #68) 6'3" | 241 lbs | Bowling Green | JR Harold Fannin Jr. led all FBS tight ends in 2024 with 117 receptions for 1,555 yards and 10 touchdowns. Fannin's exceptional play earned him the MAC Vern Smith Leadership Award, making him the first tight end in FBS history to win a conference's Player of the Year award. He was also recognized as a Consensus All-American, the first in Bowling Green's history.
93 Savion Williams - WR (Pre-draft: #90) 6'4" | 222 lbs | TCU | SR Savion Williams had a career-best season in 2024, leading TCU with 611 receiving yards and 60 receptions. He also recorded six touchdown catches. 112 D.J. Giddens - RB (Pre-draft: #108) 6'0" | 212 lbs | Kansas State | JR In 2024, Giddens started all 12 regular-season games, rushing for 1,343 yards and seven touchdowns on 205 carries, averaging 6.6 yards per attempt. His performance earned him a spot as a semifinalist for the Doak Walker Award and All-Big 12 Second Team honors. Giddens has been highly impactful in college, compiling over 1,500 scrimmage yards in each of the last two seasons. His 55% breakaway yards rate (yards gained on runs over 15 yards) was second only to Kaleb Johnson's 56%, and he averaged 4.2 yards after contact per attempt.
131 Barrett Carter - LB (Pre-draft: #111) 6'0" | 231 lbs | Clemson | SR Carter was one of Clemson's most complete defenders in 2024, excelling in run defense, pass coverage, and blitzing situations. His speed and athleticism allowed him to make plays sideline-to-sideline, and he was a key leader on the Tigers' defense. His performance earned him First-Team All-ACC honors.
184 Luke Kandra - IOL (Pre-draft: #159) 6'5" | 319 lbs | Cincinnati | SR In 2024, Kandra started all 12 games at right guard for the Bearcats, leading the team with 79 knockdowns. His performance earned him First-Team All-Big 12 honors. Kandra is recognized for his technical proficiency and athleticism, making him particularly effective in zone-blocking schemes. Kandra's durability is notable, having logged 895 snaps during the regular season, the third-most of any guard in the country.
248 Riley Leonard - QB (Pre-draft: #198) 6'4" | 216 lbs | Notre Dame | SR Riley Leondard delivered an impressive 2024 season, passing for 2,861 yards with 21 touchdowns and rushing for 906 yards and 17 touchdowns. His 14 rushing touchdowns tied the Notre Dame single-season record for a quarterback. Leonard's performance earned him semifinalist honors for the Comeback Player of the Year Award.
254 Carson Vinson - IOL (Pre-draft: #192) 6'7" | 314 lbs | Alabama A&M | JR Carson Vinson has been a cornerstone of the Bulldogs' offensive line, starting all 48 games since his freshman year. In 2024, he earned First Team All-SWAC honors and was named a finalist for the Urban Edge Network's HBCU+ National Player of the Year. Vinson received an invitation to the 2025 Reese's Senior Bowl, becoming the first SWAC player to be invited since 2022. He also earned a spot on the AFCA FCS All-America Second Team and was named the Phil Steele 2024
Thinking Riley would make a great Taysom replacement IF Kellen Moore wants to utilize that type of player. He may not.
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