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re: Fully loaded 9mm found in Smiths car
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:06 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:06 pm to GynoSandberg
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You could manually wedge a shield in there I'm sure. Still too big to just fall between the seats. I'm guessing, of course
We're all guessing about some pretty important details at this point.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:07 pm to Lester Earl
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he prob rides with his seat all the way back. It could slip through that crease to the back seat. At that point maybe one of the passengers kicked it under the seat accidentally or purposely, or picked it up in case they needed to use it for protection
Dude...
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to GynoSandberg
I think 3 things matter at this point.
Did hayes purposely hit smith or did smith cause the accident somehow.
Who initially started the verbal altercation.
Who first brought up the gun.
Did hayes purposely hit smith or did smith cause the accident somehow.
Who initially started the verbal altercation.
Who first brought up the gun.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to Lester Earl
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yet you are the one that started to argue with me when i said they havent said where the gun was. And then you just admit that they havent said where the gun was.
They have all but said it was concealed. Quit playing stupid.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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They have all but said it was concealed. Quit playing stupid.
Not really
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to gmrkr5
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Gun could have fallen between the console and the seat... There are lots of possibilities
No it couldn't. I posted a picture of the interior of a G wagon in the other thread. A gun isn't falling in between the seats. Not enough above.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:10 pm to gmrkr5
They said no visible gun is found. Then, after a warrant was obtained, they found a weapon. If you can't use those two pieces of information to figure out the gun wasn't in plain sight, there's no helping you.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:12 pm to LNCHBOX
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No it couldn't. I posted a picture of the interior of a G wagon in the other thread. A gun isn't falling in between the seats. Not enough above.
Sure it could
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:12 pm to LNCHBOX
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They have all but said it was concealed. Quit playing stupid.
case closed!!11
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:12 pm to gmrkr5
No it can't. Look at the pictures that were posted in this thread.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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No it couldn't. I posted a picture of the interior of a G wagon in the other thread. A gun isn't falling in between the seats. Not enough above.
Not that hard for something to potentially fall out of someones hand it make its way out of sight
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:13 pm to Lester Earl
That part of it is. There was no visible gun in Smith's vehicle. End of discussion on that point. Thanks for finally seeing the light.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:14 pm to GynoSandberg
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Right
So they could've confiscated a weapon from Smith's car night of and not say anything about until the warrant was processed
They don't have to say anything to the media, so I guess anything is possible. Do you believe this? Its pretty contradictory to everything reported. They are reporting pretty plainly that the gun was recovered during the warranted search, and again, there is no way they don't bag a gun they find at the scene of a murder and allow it to drive off behind a tow truck rattling around on the floor boards.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:14 pm to gmrkr5
Yes, guns are wider than a piece of paper.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:14 pm to LNCHBOX
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End of discussion on that point
you would think you wouldnt keep saying that
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:15 pm to GynoSandberg
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Im guessing Hayes still had the .45 on his person
This suggests the whole car needed a warrant to be searched, though.
Then why wasn't the revolver, also found in Hayes'Hummer not confiscated at the scene? From the same article you are quoting.
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Police executed the search warrant on Smith's Mercedes G64 and Hayes' Hummer H2 on Tuesday morning. They found a fully-loaded, 9-millimeter handgun in Smith's vehicle, and a fully-loaded revolver in Hayes' vehicle. Police say neither of those weapons were fired the night of the shooting – a third weapon, a .45-caliber handgun collected immediately by police, is the one authorities say was used to shoot Smith.
Is it that simple that Hayes still had the .45 on him or did he simply throw it back onto his seat after shooting Smith, leaving it in plain sight for police?
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Having the warrant is key to ensuring the evidence can be used if the case goes to trial, and will help alleviate any potential questions about whether it was collected correctly, the lawyers agreed.
"It's unusual to see the police seek a warrant for the search of an automobile," Loyola law professor Dane Ciolino said. "But in a case with so many eyes watching, it's always the safest thing."
The quotes above are what I explained earlier in this thread. Neither weapon found today was in plain sight. They were in a compartment which is why NOPD went through so much to make sure they were collected with a warrant. Had these weapons not been collected with a warrant, they could have been thrown out as evidence in court.
There are pictures from the scene on Nola.com of officers looking in Smith's SUV. If his weapon was in plain sight why wasn't it confiscated like Hayes'.45?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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Yes, guns are wider than a piece of paper.
Um, i agree?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:16 pm to LNCHBOX
Dude, you are all over the place. Seems you are more interested in winning a fricking internet argument
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They have all but said it was concealed. Quit playing stupid.
Or
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NOPD said no visible gun found in Smith's vehicle. LE was adamant that news reporting something is all you need to believe it and call it a fact, but he seems to have backtracked from that when the news reported something that hurts his argument.
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False. There was no gun found visible in Smith's car.
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Somewhere where it wasn't visible and required a warrant to get
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They have said soecifically. However, the NOPD has said it wasn't visible.
Where do they say the gun isn't visible? Link it up
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:16 pm to gmrkr5
So they don't magically fall in between a seat and console of a G wagon. There isn't enough space.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:17 pm to GynoSandberg
I'm going to pull an LE and let you find the article yourself. It the subject of a thread earlier today.
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