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re: For those that honestly believe this is a conspiracy
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:04 am to shel311
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:04 am to shel311
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Wait, if the refs are tasked with cheating, who cares if the Saints played cleaner?
Exactly. So explain the fourth quarter and overtime Saints drives now.
Because the refs sure didn’t care the Rams played dirtier.
Saints go up 13. Refs allows rams offense to hold and their defense to knock receivers off routes, pushing/pulling.
They come back. Game stays close. Then when it MATTERED, the egregiously reffed game begins?
I know you aren’t a simpleton. I know you realize that letting one team “play” while another team plays clean can affect the game. It’s not simple “muh penalty” count.
It’s a simple scenario: league tells one team through liaisons the refs are going to “let them play” and another team “they might call it tight”
Hell, the above scenario happened with coaches in freaking little league
That’s all one has to do.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:06 am to Deactived
quote:The favorable outcome even after the missed call was still a Saints win.
It's called the favorable outcome.
Why wouldn't the refs use a more subtle approach throughout the game to ensure the favorable outcome would be a Rams win if that is what they were tasked with?
3 penalties, 20 yards.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:07 am to UpToPar
Simple bias on the part of a ref is far more plausible than a conspiracy.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:07 am to theunknownknight
quote:Exactly, so why give them only 3 penalties all game? Explain that.
Exactly
quote:Refs would have called more on the Saints, less on the Rams throughout the game to avoid being in that situation...that situation which still heavily favored the Saints any way. Terrible game fixing refs.
Then when it MATTERED, the egregiously reffed game begins?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:08 am to VOR
quote:A conspiracy on Goodell and the NFL's part would be outed so fast.
Simple bias on the part of a ref is far more plausible than a conspiracy.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:09 am to UpToPar
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What if a DB slips and Brees throws a TD to Thomas on that same play? What if the Rams don't make a 57 yard FG to send the game to OT?
It's called the favorable outcome. If the Saints overcome it, well so be it.
How many times have you watched a game where at the end you said damn they had to beat both teams, the team and the refs? Plenty I'm guessing
Not saying those are those games but teams can overcome the calls.
Go read about the NBA refs cheating. They specifically talk about that.
In a game like this, you can only do so much against a HOF qb and the best team in the league.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:09 am to shel311
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Dude, it's 2018. If that were happening, they would be outed pretty quickly.
Really?
So who loses their job over this missed PI/targeting? Who’s outed there as, best case, incompetent?
No one.
The NFL WAS outed on that call and they don’t care. No statement. No apologies. No ramifications.
THEY. DON’T. CARE.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:11 am to Deactived
quote:Why not take more steps than 3 penalties for 20 yards to ensure the favorable outcome? I'd at least hope you'll admit if the refs were tasked with the Rams winning they did a completely horrible job of doing so, right?
It's called the favorable outcome. If the Saints overcome it, well so be it.
quote:Fwiw, no one was saying that before that call. Of course, super biased Saints fans were. ANd guess what, super biased Rams fans were saying they were getting hosed all game. If you think if you look at the nonbiased folks, no one was saying the Saints were getting jobbed before that call, so my question to you is...why?
How many times have you watched a game where at the end you said damn they had to beat both teams, the team and the refs? Plenty I'm guessing
quote:You can do a hell of a lot more than 3 penalties for 20 yards.
In a game like this, you can only do so much against a HOF qb and the best team in the league.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:11 am to shel311
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Refs would have called more on the Saints, less on the Rams throughout the game to avoid being in that situation...that situation which still heavily favored the Saints any way. Terrible game fixing refs.
Again.
The sword cuts both ways.
ALLOWING the Rams to do WHAT THEY ACTUALLY did, literally accomplished what you are saying the refs did not do.
There are multiple ways for refs to influence a game, not just that one approach.
You know this.
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:12 am to theunknownknight
quote:Yea, obviously.
Really?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:13 am to theunknownknight
quote:So they choose the most egregious way that puts the most pressure and makes it the most obvious when all game they could have been chipping away, but they chose not to?
There are multiple ways for refs to influence a game, not just that one approach.
Up to that point in that play, why wasn't the narrative talking about how bad the refs were against the Saints?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:13 am to shel311
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Exactly, so why give them only 3 penalties all game? Explain that.
Because if you light them up with penalties, it can look obvious
No calls don't show up on the stat sheet. People like you and Lester look at that and that's it.
The biggest plays in the game yesterday never went on the stat sheet because they weren't called.
He we didn't cheat, we barely called any penalties on the Saints! In actuality, we let the other team get away with murder lolz
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:13 am to VOR
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Simple bias on the part of a ref is far more plausible than a conspiracy.
It would have to be a heavy systematic bias because several refs didn’t call the penalties, didn’t confer on the penalties, and the league did not call in and confer on the targeting.
That’s ALOT of bias.
What do you call enacted systematic bias in a sport?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:14 am to Deactived
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No calls don't show up on the stat sheet. People like you and Lester look at that and that's it.
what about the no calls for the Rams?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:15 am to Deactived
quote:So they chose the much more obvious route? That makes no sense. A questionable penalty here and there is 1 million times less obvious than what they did.
Because if you light them up with penalties, it can look obvious
quote:Hell, this board is about as biased as it gets and compared to other games this season, there were very few complaints about officiating up to that point. Why?
No calls don't show up on the stat sheet. People like you and Lester look at that and that's it.
The biggest plays in the game yesterday never went on the stat sheet because they weren't called.
quote:No one was really saying that. Funny, Rams fans were saying they were getting hosed by the refs up to that point, but I guess they don't know what they're talking about and Saints fans do because they're very unbiased and partial?
In actuality, we let the other team her away with murder lolz
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:16 am to Deactived
It doesn’t make any sense. If the refs wanted the Rams to win, why blow the most obvious call in the game? Why not make a more impactful call that prevents the Saints from getting into FG range?
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:17 am to shel311
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So they choose the most egregious way that puts the most pressure and makes it the most obvious when all game they could have been chipping away, but they chose not to?
You do realize you are proving my point right. No they didn’t CHOOSE ahead of time to go the most egregious route. They were FORCED to precisely BECAUSE they didn’t penalize the Saints enough when it wasn’t obvious.
The last three drives, it was obvious and desperate refereeing.
People aren’t calling it the worst refereeing in history all over national media for nothing.
But who can punish the NFL now when they were reclassified as sports entertainment recently? No one. Because the collusion is legal now.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:17 am to shel311
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So they chose the much more obvious route?
Dude you and Lester are pointing to the penalty tally and that's your argument.
You're saying it's obvious there was no cheating because there were only 3 penalties called.
You're duped in your own argument lol
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:17 am to UpToPar
jim miller just confirmed on WWL and if you do not know his ties to the NFL look it up.
Vinovivh was the REFEREE. he had absolute responsibility to get them together and make a call. You could not be more wrong. He is a coward POS. he is responsible and that is what Jim Miller basically alluded to. he wanted no part of it. If he wanted no part of making a wrong right he SHOULD NOT be in the NFL,
Vinovivh was the REFEREE. he had absolute responsibility to get them together and make a call. You could not be more wrong. He is a coward POS. he is responsible and that is what Jim Miller basically alluded to. he wanted no part of it. If he wanted no part of making a wrong right he SHOULD NOT be in the NFL,
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:20 am to LNCHBOX
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It's certainly not a full on conspiracy, but you can't really expect anyone to believe that two allstar refs that had unobstructed views and were both right on top of the play both happened to miss one of the more blatant PIs. That just doesn't pass the smell test.
and they missed calls all game
it was NOT just that ONE call. ALL game. they have been laid out over and over. holdings, DPIs, personal fouls....was all that accidents? doubtful
something smells in denmark
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