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re: For those that honestly believe this is a conspiracy

Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:08 am to
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:08 am to
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the entire planet sees PI, what is their explanation to not throw it?



Well, I think it looks more egregious on the slow motion replay than it actually did in game speed. It was still a bad no call, but the replay makes it look much worse than it actually was.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:08 am to
Yep. It was a willfully ignored call by the entire crew.

No flag
No discussion
No on field conference
No league call in

Not even for the obvious targeting which to me was MORE egregious because they WILL look at that after the fact
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:09 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:08 am to
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Well, I think it looks more egregious on the slow motion replay than it actually did in game speed


Then your opinion is worthless That's a laughably bad take.
Posted by liquid rabbit
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:10 am to
Sure, it was a quick play. But refs are taught to err on the side of protecting players and calling the penalty. Then they can wave it off after discussion and/or review.

The opposite happened here. Refs didn't follow the protocol.
Posted by HueyP
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:12 am to
I don’t believe the initial call was a conspiracy out side one or a few refs getting bribed.

The coverup is now a full blown conspiracy. Funny how the Saints organization went into hiding.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:13 am to
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They can call in and indicate a conference is needed before the next play to ensure the correct call was made.


They can?
Posted by lsutiger2010
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:16 am to
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Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:16 am to
Yes. They are in constant communication with the booth etc. I’m not talking about a 15 minute call in.

I’m talking about a call in within seconds as they see the replay angles before the next play.

ESPECIALLY in regards to helmet to helmet targeting BTW
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:19 am
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:18 am to
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Sure, it was a quick play. But refs are taught to err on the side of protecting players and calling the penalty. Then they can wave it off after discussion and/or review.

The opposite happened here. Refs didn't follow the protocol.


I agree, it clearly should have been called. My only point was, the slow motion replay from the sideline makes it look much worse than it actually was. The situation magnifies the impact of the call and makes it seem so much worse.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:20 am to
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much worse than it actually was


You have lost any credibility you may have had. It looked bad for every angle in real time. Just stop.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:20 am to
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Yes. They are in constant communication with the booth etc. I’m not talking about a 15 minute call in.



Right, I know they can do this with review-able plays and suspected concussions, but if the booth thinks they saw a hold on replay, they can call down and ask the officials to talk about it? I've never seen them do this.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:21 am to
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You have lost any credibility you may have had. It looked bad for every angle in real time. Just stop.


It SOUNDED bad.

The helmet to helmet could be heard 30 yards away. A cellphone video in the stands picked it up clearly.

I want to hear their explanation on how THAT was missed.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:22 am to
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Right, I know they can do this with review-able plays and suspected concussions, but if the booth thinks they saw a hold on replay, they can call down and ask the officials to talk about it? I've never seen them do this.


No they will not call in a hold.

They WILL call in a clear and intentional helmet to helmet targeting because of the concussion lawsuits.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:23 am
Posted by Seeker
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:22 am to
I disagree, but even if what you are saying is true, there was able 4 fouls that could/should have been called on that one play. The player even admitted that he knew he was committing a penalty to avoid a TD. The league admitted it was a terrible no call. There are measures in player to get the call right even if the refs miss the call during the game. Al Riveron, whose job it is to run the league officials, told Payton he needed to watch the play and call him back. How is it that the head of officials is not glued to the T.V. during the only game being played by the league?

There was multiple failures of people's jobs during that play.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:22 am to
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My only point was, the slow motion replay from the sideline makes it look much worse than it actually was


Are you fricking kidding?

In real time, it's probably one of the most violent looking plays of the year. The defender makes a B line directly at the receiver and lays him out helmet to helmet.

No play on the ball and just decleats the guy
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:23 am to
Kroenke was given a lot of incentives to move his team to LA and the NFL helped him every step of the way. Was a Super Bowl guarantee part of the incentives?
Posted by LSUGRAD2008
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:24 am to
You do realize the commissioner gets paid a bonus every year based on the revenue of the NFL? His base pay is 3.5 mill a tear with bonus checks going upwards of 40 million.

LA is a much larger audience than NO. LA fans will travel longer and spend more money. NFL makes more money. Commissioner gets higher bonus check
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22788 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:25 am to
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No they will not call in a hold.

They WILL call in a clear and intentional helmet to helmet targeting because of the concussion lawsuits.


Okay, that's fair. I thought you were talking about the PI.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:28 am to
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In real time, it's probably one of the most violent looking plays of the year. The defender makes a B line directly at the receiver and lays him out helmet to helmet.

No play on the ball and just decleats the guy



Which is a legal play (besides the helmet to helmet) if he gets there the same time the ball does. He was clearly early, but the camera angle from the sideline makes it look like he got there much earlier than he did.
Posted by michael789222
Member since Oct 2018
296 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:30 am to
This ref cheated pure and simple. He knew it was a penalty and not only did he not throw the flag but in dramatic fashion convinced the other ref that it was not a penalty. There is no chance that he did not see the most obvious PI play that he had seen all season. You call it whatever you want but he cheated. He took so much from us Saints fans. I have no faith in the outcome of any NFL game anymore.
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