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re: For those against giving up multiple 1st round picks for a qb
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:20 am to Louisianabound88
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:20 am to Louisianabound88
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We have a championship ready defense, an all pro rb, and all pro wr. Why wouldn’t you want to trade for a qb dipshit
I see your reading comprehension sucks. I was only commenting on the fact that Saints fans are generally a skitzophrenic lot when QBs are concerned.
I do think it would be stupid to give away a large portion of your future to grab a big cap hit with one more year on his contract so may stay with or physically last until your next first round pick is available.
That being said, I would love to get Rodgers or Wilson.
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
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It looked to me like CSP decided before the season began to go with a dependable, ploding no TO offence and rely on the strength of the team in the defence. Don't be surprised if he goes that way again and tries to improve the defence even more and sticks to a vet QB who can manage a conservative approach.
I think it is killing him inside to not have a really good QB.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:25 am to Louisianabound88
To me the issue isn’t just the multiple 1st. It’s the multiple 1sts plus the huge salary when they are already $50M over the cap. Winston can be had for less than what Wilson & Rodgers will carry.
Also, wether you want to argue if the players were worth a 1st or not; majority of them were at least worthy of being drafted (Anthony was the only complete bust I see). Ruiz and Peat would be solid backup linemen; unfortunately we use them as starters.
Also, wether you want to argue if the players were worth a 1st or not; majority of them were at least worthy of being drafted (Anthony was the only complete bust I see). Ruiz and Peat would be solid backup linemen; unfortunately we use them as starters.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:28 am to goatmilker
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It looked to me like CSP decided before the season began to go with a dependable, ploding no TO offence and rely on the strength of the team in the defence. Don't be surprised if he goes that way again and tries to improve the defence even more and sticks to a vet QB who can manage a conservative approach.
I think that will be his holding pattern until he can snag a better QB. That may be a year away, maybe we back into one this draft, maybe we sign someone but if you look at the UFAs, would you take someone like Andy Dalton over Jameis?
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:34 am to Fun Bunch
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I think it is killing him inside to not have a really good QB.
Yeah same here. But I give him so much credit for using what he had this year. Really think this year was his best job coaching.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 12:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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If Pickett is falling I would move up to get him. I think he would do well in CSP's offense.
If we’re going to have to overpay for Rodgers or Wilson (which we will), I’m all for this. I haven’t “studied” Pickett, but I’m sold on what I’ve seen and read.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 12:54 pm to Louisianabound88
I'm not necessarily against it. I would be excited if we got Rodgers or Wilson. BUT, there are other factors here. I wonder what gives us the higher ceiling:
Wilson/Rodgers, less multiple firsts, less significant cap space to spend elsewhere
OR
Winston, with those firsts, with more cap space, and with a great coach in Payton to amplify his game.
Honestly, Payton is the biggest factor in this in my opinion. If he weren't our coach, I would be all in on getting Rodgers or Wilson. But because he's so good at getting the most out of any competent QB, I am very intrigued by what we could do with a Winston-level QB at a cheaper price that won't cost multiple firsts to obtain.
At the end of the day I trust the organization to make the best decision possible. But as a fan that's where my question is.
Wilson/Rodgers, less multiple firsts, less significant cap space to spend elsewhere
OR
Winston, with those firsts, with more cap space, and with a great coach in Payton to amplify his game.
Honestly, Payton is the biggest factor in this in my opinion. If he weren't our coach, I would be all in on getting Rodgers or Wilson. But because he's so good at getting the most out of any competent QB, I am very intrigued by what we could do with a Winston-level QB at a cheaper price that won't cost multiple firsts to obtain.
At the end of the day I trust the organization to make the best decision possible. But as a fan that's where my question is.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 1:07 pm to Suntiger
Where you screwed up is you brought logic to the conversation.
But to add a little more would you give up Lattimore and Jordan who are "1st round picks", just starting their careers for a 37 year old quarterback, who will take up a majority of your cap
But to add a little more would you give up Lattimore and Jordan who are "1st round picks", just starting their careers for a 37 year old quarterback, who will take up a majority of your cap
Posted on 12/28/21 at 6:41 pm to Louisianabound88
Dude. Jameis led offense WITHOUT MT was doing pretty well and that was with all the early injuries too.
Re-sign him for a fair price and load up on weapons. Hold the defense together.
2022 could be a great year.
Re-sign him for a fair price and load up on weapons. Hold the defense together.
2022 could be a great year.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 6:50 pm to jcaz
We're already what 50 or 60 mil in the hole. Wilson is out of play. Trading MT is out of play. Hell resigning Armstead might be out of play unless he comes back for super cheap. You re sign Winston. If you can somehow keep that defense together then you build with those draft picks. I could see the saints signing a mid level wr and go bpa 1st round as usual
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:14 pm to josh336
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The saints werent going to draft him unless lattimore went the pick before. Payton said the way their board fell they had lattimore then mahomes.
That's not true.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:20 pm to geauxtigers87
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i'd love to know who the frick leaked to the chiefs the saints were going to draft Mahomes
No one leaked anything. Teams share scouting information. I've tried to explain this several times on this board before. There's two separate scouting services used by NFL teams, BLESTO & National. The individual teams themselves provide scouting information for these two entities from their own scouting departments as well. The information gets shared between teams at the coaches meetings every spring in Florida.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 8:31 pm to BigBrod81
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There are twelve teams in BLESTO (ATL, BUF, CHI, CLE, DAL, DET, HOU, JAC, MIA, MIN, NYG, PIT).
There are fifteen subscribers to the National (AZ, CAR, CIN, DEN, GB, KC, NO, NYJ, PHI, STL, SD, SF, SEA, TB, TEN). National Scouting also is the logistical organizer of record for the event in Indianapolis.
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Membership responsibilities includes over $100,000 in annual dues and the assignment of at least one scout to the group.
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As scouts evaluate the current class of seniors visiting schools' pro days, they often work out underclassmen for future draft years. This data and other information is presented at meetings (usually in Florida) a few weeks prior to the current draft.
The BLESTO and National reports are published from these meetings. These reports serve as a both starting point for the lengthy evaluation process and also a rough guide as to where players are regarded by the group.
Some teams assign their most junior scout to the job of BLESTO/National regional rep, and the best ones are usually promoted or headhunted away from the role in short stint. This instability with the reps (and the lack of evaluating the senior season) can and will affect the accuracy of the reports.
This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:10 pm to Chad504boy
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payton's track record of drafted qb's makes me want to puke. not sure i trust payton much.
Exactly. So then you stick with Winston and pay him what? He's not coming on a cheap deal again.
Or get Wilson or Rodgers, if it's even possible, and guarantee you don't have to worry about the QB position for a few years.
With this defense, you just can't let it go to waste. MT will be back. We can handle not having first/second round picks. We've done it before and we have a complete team right now.
The football gods steady laughing at us. Best offense in the NFL for years with shite D. One of the best D's in the league with one of the worst offenses now.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 10:47 pm to Sho Nuff
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The football gods steady laughing at us. Best offense in the NFL for years with shite D. One of the best D's in the league with one of the worst offenses now."
Not at us, at Payton. But while not statically great, we were doing pretty good with jameis until dirty delvins play
Besides the fact that Payton has drafted subpar OL in the first instead of getting a much needed receiver.
The football gods steady laughing at us. Best offense in the NFL for years with shite D. One of the best D's in the league with one of the worst offenses now."
Not at us, at Payton. But while not statically great, we were doing pretty good with jameis until dirty delvins play
Besides the fact that Payton has drafted subpar OL in the first instead of getting a much needed receiver.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:37 am to Louisianabound88
I’d argue that most of your list was worth the pick.
Our any of them more valuable than a great QB? No. That should be the point you’re trying to push.
A good QB > your entire draft for three years, yes, but you could end up with a Deshaun Watson.
Our any of them more valuable than a great QB? No. That should be the point you’re trying to push.
A good QB > your entire draft for three years, yes, but you could end up with a Deshaun Watson.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 8:04 am to Sho Nuff
The nfl is littered top to bottom with 1st round QB bust and people say CSP's draft picks of QB's makes them want to puke?
OK fellow posters list them 1st rounders he's missed at?
Hell...any 2nd rounders he's missed at?
OK fellow posters list them 1st rounders he's missed at?
Hell...any 2nd rounders he's missed at?
Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:15 am to mdomingue
Get through this year as best you can.
Next year, everyone back healthy, you have:
-Stout offensive line
-Stud RB
-Stud WR
-Above average QB in Winston
-Superbowl caliber defense
All that isn't even counting draft picks.
Go get a 2nd stud WR in the draft (or grab a QB if someone you love falls to your pick).
Use the rest to fill holes.
Winston on a relatively cheap contract is incredibly valuable.
The Saints were literally playing games with their 3rd and 4th string QB, without their starting RB and WR and without their two all NFL tackles....and they are still technically in playoff contention.
Let everyone get healthy, add through the draft and go make a run next year.
Next year, everyone back healthy, you have:
-Stout offensive line
-Stud RB
-Stud WR
-Above average QB in Winston
-Superbowl caliber defense
All that isn't even counting draft picks.
Go get a 2nd stud WR in the draft (or grab a QB if someone you love falls to your pick).
Use the rest to fill holes.
Winston on a relatively cheap contract is incredibly valuable.
The Saints were literally playing games with their 3rd and 4th string QB, without their starting RB and WR and without their two all NFL tackles....and they are still technically in playoff contention.
Let everyone get healthy, add through the draft and go make a run next year.
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 12/29/21 at 5:22 pm to Louisianabound88
If you can get a Wilson or Rodgers, or another proven franchise QB in subsequent years, you do what it takes. The Saints will not win or likely even make another Super Bowl until we have that guy in place. Jameis did fine early on, but he ain’t him imo.
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