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re: Fleener To Saints, 5 year deal, $36 million
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to partywiththelombardi
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:45 am to partywiththelombardi
And nobody is mentioning there's a real chance we lose Hill if someone throws money at him. Very possible we let Hill walk and get the 1.6 mill on cap back.
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:51 am to Chad504boy
I like Hill and the potential tandem he could form with Fleener but if someone wants Hill for more than his current tender then oh well. He was a UDFA find and hopefully a camp body or late round pick will replace him.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:53 am to LisbethSalander
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we basically signed him for 3 years 15 mill,
if he plays the 3rd year, he is getting $18mil in guaranteed money
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if he's not performing over those years we cut him with minimum problems
we would have just given him $14mil. If he doesnt pan out, that is a lot of money considering our other holes
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
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The tight end received an $8 million signing bonus with $18 million in total guarantees, according to a source. The deal breaks down as follows:
2016: $800,000 base salary (fully guaranteed), $1.6 million prorated signing bonus
2017: $5.8 million base salary (fully guaranteed); $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $100,000 workout bonus
2018: $6.3 million base salary*; $1.6 million prorated signing bonus; $1000,000 workout bonus
*$3.4 million of base salary is guaranteed for injury, it becomes guaranteed for skill and cap if he is on the roster on the third day of the waiver period
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:00 am to Lester Earl
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we would have just given him $14mil. If he doesnt pan out, that is a lot of money considering our other holes
i'm ok. I don't think this leaves us in a position where we can't address other holes. We can still get additional cap room, this move only costs 2.4. Next two-3 years with Drew is our real window, this is an excellent offensive addition. We all knew tight end was a NEED>
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:01 am to Lester Earl
Not the best deal ever, but not the worst
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:06 am to LisbethSalander
quote:No, it will be either 3 years/$21 million (as part of the 3rd year is guaranteed) or 2 years/$18 million if he is cut after the second year. $18 million is guaranteed and if he plays the 3rd year, effectively all of it is guaranteed if he is on the roster at the beginning of the season as a veteran.
Everyone is up in arms over the 36 million, we basically signed him for 3 years 15 mill, if he's not performing over those years we cut him with minimum problems. Also, our cap situation is much better next year without all our dead money from this year gone, so paying a guys 6-8 mill isn't that bad.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:08 am to Chad504boy
Just seeing the Green deal in comparison and then Trevathan deal, just questions the value of Fleener deal. Not that i dont like the player, but this wasnt a must sign.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:08 am to Lester Earl
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we would have just given him $14mil. If he doesnt pan out, that is a lot of money considering our other holes
If he doesn't pan out then it would be a mistake if we paid him 10, or 8. I understand the concern about the product, I just believe that he will be a weapon with Brees. Only concern is that he has had some issues with drops in the past.
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if he plays the 3rd year, he is getting $18mil in guaranteed money
I didn't know this, I haven't read a good breakdown of his contract yet.
I'm optimistic about the pickup. I heard a lot of people wishing for him after Green got signed, I just believe we got our guy, the guarantees aren't crazy high, so we should be excited about the potential not worried about the potential fallout if he doesn't pan out.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:10 am to xxKylexx
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Idk, over 5 years, $36 million is not much at all
Highest paid position player not named Brees (off the top of my head). Does that make sense to you?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:11 am to Lester Earl
Don't tell that to Mickey and his Must, Needs, and Wants board 
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:14 am to moneyg
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Highest paid position player not named Brees
Actually that is Junior.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:23 am to Lester Earl
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Just seeing the Green deal in comparison
Saints had interest in Green. Obviously they were willing to spend. Not sure if they didn't think Green was as valuable or Green had no interest here. Something not right was there. Saints then moved to Fleener after Green signed. Not like Saints weren't trying with Green.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:24 am to moneyg
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Highest paid position player not named Brees
huh?
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:36 am to NOSHAU
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No, it will be either 3 years/$21 million (as part of the 3rd year is guaranteed) or 2 years/$18 million if he is cut after the second year. $18 million is guaranteed
No, it would be 2 years/$14.7M if he is cut after his 2nd year. The $18M "guaranteed" figure includes $3.3M in year 3 that is only guaranteed for injury.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:52 am to Chad504boy
Nobody is signing away a guy who never had more than 16 catches in a season and is not known for his blocking.
Hill is staying. We over value (and over hype) him.
Hill is staying. We over value (and over hype) him.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:58 am to bonethug0108
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Nobody is signing away a guy who never had more than 16 catches in a season and is not known for his blocking.
hill is not a shabby blocker, he had a very good season a year ago in a limited role, i think he was held back last year with injuries. A team would be smart to nab him with a 3 yr 6.61 million dollar deal. Tight Ends are paid for their presence and difference making abilities in passing game.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:59 am to Chad504boy
Didn't say he was a poor blocker, just that it isn't what people would call his strength.
Now where he shines and could get a teams attention is special teams. A guy that can play on every unti and can come in and catch passes could be attractive, but I doubt someone ponies up $2 mil a year for him.
Now where he shines and could get a teams attention is special teams. A guy that can play on every unti and can come in and catch passes could be attractive, but I doubt someone ponies up $2 mil a year for him.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:11 pm to NOSHAU
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$18 million is guaranteed a
I'm only seeing $14.6 as guaranteed
You're including a guarantee for injury
If he's cut after 2 years, he gets $14.6m total
$8m signing bonus
2016: 800k
2017: $5.8m
Total: $14.6m
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:15 pm to moneyg
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Highest paid position player not named Brees (off the top of my head). Does that make sense to you?
He's 4th and it's a 5 year deal. If he plays the 5 years, that number at the end will be very low.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 12:17 pm
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